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Esato phone selling raffle discussion |
paul101
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On 2008-07-03 20:57:23, Cycovision wrote:
But that's just a technicality and so not at all helpful! What we could do with is a little PHP script to tag on to the site that, on the press of a button, draws the winning number(s) and posts them to a locked topic. If you stick the script behind a password, you could even invite guest members to access the page whenever a draw is due and press the button.
All automatic so no cheating  And such a script would not be difficult to make...
to do a raffle, maybe the funds should be transferred to an account created to deal with the transactions, having its own id (which can be attached to the thread), and once enough money is collected... a random person can do the draw and winners name displayed
it is seeming a bit complicated to set up  and wether or not people are going to find ways of abusing it??
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F1
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getting someone everybody trusts is the best way to do it IMO and the least hassel. the arguments that suggest its unfair that you could enter a raffel 100 times at 5 a go and you might loose, but thats a raffel, the point of gambeling is taking a risk and beinifiting or loosing from that risk, that is the fun of it and if you do not see the point in that then there is no point in entering. If everybody won everytime then there would be no economy would there ? if you always had the best item or decision you would just monopolise the society but life isnt like that. life is about risks and your luck on those risks,
think of it in the bigger picture and try to understand what a raffel is before ludacris arguments are made against a topic you obviously are very uneducated in |
Marly
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Laffen should have a look at this, before we decide whether we want it.
Depending on the country, where Esato is hosted, it might not even be allowed, as it's gambling.
Dunno whether that's the case though, but in my country a license is needed.
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dougproctor
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From: Gosport, UK
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F1 - are you some sort of windup merchant? I object, and others will I hope as well, to being called an uneducated person just because I disagree with you trying to get the full price back for a phone you obviously bought in error!
You are a relative newcomer to this site - there are many others who have commented and given their opinion and have been on here a damn site longer than the couple of months like yourself. You have perhaps not been here long enough to find out what this site is all about. The last raffle was a one off, or I thought it was, not a way of opening the flood gates for people to off load the phones they would not be able to sell by some other method!
Please keep your "uneducated" comments to yourself!
Doug
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laffen
Joined: Aug 07, 2001
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From: Oslo, Norway
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I do not think it is allowed to host/run/organize lotteries here in Norway. The goverment is strict on this. I am not very familiar with the lottey act but casino, football betting sites is not allowed. Sites offering this to norwegians must be located abroad.
Anyone wanting to enlighten me can read the
Lottery act here
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masseur
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I have been doing quite a bit of reading on the topic of the legality of raffles, mostly from the government/state lottery departments of English speaking countries, specifically UK, US and Australia.
It seems there is a concept of a private raffle or lottery but this is only open to a single place such as school, members of a club or workplace etc. i.e. its a confined number of people not the general public. However, in all cases the tickets must be sold and drawn on the same day for it to fit into this category and also the tickets must be of low value in the order of £1/$2 etc
from what I've read it seems that Esato will not fit into any category which does not require a licence since we are not in a single place, nor would we be likely to sell all the tickets and do the draw on the same day and nor would tickets of low value work either.
I'd suggest this idea is not viable but the final decision goes to laffen, of course
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F1
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On 2008-07-04 09:45:55, dougproctor wrote:
F1 - are you some sort of windup merchant? I object, and others will I hope as well, to being called an uneducated person just because I disagree with you trying to get the full price back for a phone you obviously bought in error!
You are a relative newcomer to this site - there are many others who have commented and given their opinion and have been on here a damn site longer than the couple of months like yourself. You have perhaps not been here long enough to find out what this site is all about. The last raffle was a one off, or I thought it was, not a way of opening the flood gates for people to off load the phones they would not be able to sell by some other method!
Please keep your "uneducated" comments to yourself!
Doug
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was trying to explain the concept of a raffel to you calm down |
ofiaich
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Hi!
Is there a final decision on this ? I am happy to go with the final decsion of laffen and the moderators 
Perhaps they can have a meeting here
and let us know the result !
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pmerryman
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I take it the decision is no then?
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Marly
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Suppose so, Esato is hosted in Norway and online gambling isn't allowed there.
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weirdwilli
Joined: Mar 30, 2008
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Im going to say no, although people organised one for me, we had to get PeterKay involved as the middle man which was hasstle for him, and also required a lot of organisation.
I am greatfull to the people that did it for me though |
ofiaich
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From: East Yorkshire, England
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Lets hope there is no retrograde punishment leading to a reversal of the raffle
I guess raffles won't be allowed so isn't it time to lock this thread ?
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fatreg
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Does this mean my G600 is illegitimate property and I'm going to get a knock on the door from some Norwegian cop? hmmmmmm
I see so reason why it can't work, rules are;
1) All tickets are £5 each on all raffles
2) Raffle lead in time should be a week or so
3) There should be a group of people that are available to do the actual draw
4) People doing draw are not allowed to enter the draw, I.e. If PK is pulling the winner, he can't be in that draw
5) As PK did, photo evidence needs to be providing to show who won and that it was far etc....
Also, there's a difference between a raffle and a lottery surely? a raffle someone is guaranteed to win, whereas, on a lottery no one or many people have the potential to win?
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Marly
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No, you're not getting a knock on the door from some Norwegian cop .
Laffen could get one, though.
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fatreg
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oooooh...
I might have to call the Norwegian cop and press the issue! hehe
get Esato taken down!
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Posted: 2008-07-04 01:19
