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myth®
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
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@Gucci
yes, it's not the same but similar.
TS on a phone provides almost the same level of control as a mouse on your desktop.
Why would I want to sacrifice it ?
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anonymuser
Joined: Dec 17, 2002
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On 2008-04-30 11:45:09, myth® wrote:
TS on a phone provides almost the same level of control as a mouse on your desktop.
Better, almost - the mouse is convenient for the desktop because of the distances involved between your hands on the keyboard and the screen, but it would still be nice sometimes to just reach over and touch exactly where you want to go. You can't really get much more exact than the position of your finger on the screen.
Why would I want to sacrifice it ?
Indeed. Computers started to grow out of keyboard-driven navigation more than twenty years ago, so why would anyone cling to such a backwards technology on their mobile?
I'll say it again - S60 is an old UI based on the even older S40 and its predecessors - the UI itself was never designed for serious smartphone use, and that's never been more obvious than right now, as so many competing devices are being designed from the touchscreen up - including Nokia's next generation.
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kenoby
Joined: Dec 17, 2007
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Nice thread. It went form  vs Nokia to UIQ vs S60 in no time:)
Some great arguments there Boinng.
I must admit that even after MotoMing N95 UI was a disappointment form me. Touch rules, that's a fact.
As far as the app variety for S60 goes, I bet any of you that there might be a half a dozen of them that are actually useful.
@ QVGA, as far as BB sucess goes, I think it's success goes for it's mail capabilities, not it's only qwerty kbrd.
I like the variety of choices in P1i. You are able to adjust your input as it fits you. After a week you get it adjusted and then input is much quicker than with any non-touch smartphone.
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doministry
Joined: Apr 13, 2007
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From: PL
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And this discussion is endless.
Obviously one cannot find a batch of reasonable, general arguments which gives a "winner"... It depends so much on needs. |
Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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Hi all
I find it really funny so many are happy to make sweeping generalisations with not one IMO in place.
Now seeing as most of you haven't even used these non touch screens devices you can't possibly know just how fast they are or not so what you claim is just based on your preference and wishful thinking.
I also see people are once more happy to suggest MO or claim i have said things i haven't yet again. Which is just so boring if you are going to claim i think or have said something please make sure i have first rather than hoping or wishing i have as after all it just makes you look petty and stupid when i have to show you are lying.
So lets clear that up first shall we i have not said at any time the iPhone is crap or rubbish in fact the opposite is true. As it is actually a very well built and great Multimedia device as i have said. What i did say is it is just not the device for me and that i don't like Touch Screens any longer i don't hate them i just don't like them big difference isn't it.
As for navigating my 4" non touch screen device with a pointer and clicking with the D-pad this is both quick and easy and requires far less scrolling and is very accurate for navigation but then many of you that like to claim it isn't haven't even tried so just what you are basing your assumptions on is prejudice not fact or reality.
I also couldn't care less what device you choose to use and what suits you best is just your decision to make. But just because it is good for you doesn't make it for every one else does it? It certainly doesn't for me and i am happy to stick with my much larger and clearer screen and the great range of apps to choose from as there is nothing i can't get for my device that i want or need that WM has.
If i was keeping my iPhone i would of been able to set up my S60 device as a WiFi Hot Spot for the iPhone to use it's 3G/HSDPA connection so would actually of a had a 3G/HSDPA iPhone now and that works for any WiFi device.
Does WM have any software that will allow you to set it up as a WiFi Hot Spot and allow other WiFi devices to use it's 3G/HSDPA connection?
Here are a couple of Pictures of ESATO home page and this thread in the E90's browser unfortunately t doesn't capture the pointer over the items which with just a click and it opens and is easily moved around the whole page just using the D-Pad and clicking with the centre of it.
It would be nice to see how much the P1 with it's Opera Browser shows or the TyTN2 with either PIE or Opera for comparison so we can actually see just how well each device renders a Web Page and a difficult one like ESATO. Rather than just being told how great it is lets compare and actually see for ourselves shall we?
Marc
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masseur
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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From: Sydney, London
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Does WM have any software that will allow you to set it up as a WiFi Hot Spot and allow other WiFi devices to use it's 3G/HSDPA connection?
I know of at least one
WM WiFiRouter
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Dogmann
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Hi Masseur
OK i wasn't aware there was one good to know but i suppose i should of mentioned that there are now two for S60 one of which is free and will stay free and one that is free now but might charge later on.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-04-30 18:53 ] |
anonymuser
Joined: Dec 17, 2002
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On 2008-04-30 19:30:40, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all
I find it really funny so many are happy to make sweeping generalisations with not one IMO in place.
Now seeing as most of you haven't even used these non touch screens devices you can't possibly know just how fast they are or not so what you claim is just based on your preference and wishful thinking.
I also see people are once more happy to suggest MO or claim i have said things i haven't yet again. Which is just so boring if you are going to claim i think or have said something please make sure i have first rather than hoping or wishing i have as after all it just makes you look petty and stupid when i have to show you are lying.
So lets clear that up first shall we i have not said at any time the iPhone is crap or rubbish in fact the opposite is true. As it is actually a very well built and great Multimedia device as i have said. What i did say is it is just not the device for me and that i don't like Touch Screens any longer i don't hate them i just don't like them big difference isn't it.
Mark, I assume that's aimed at me since I referred to your Iphone comments. The thing is, all I did was quote what you said, and respond to it. If I misunderstood what you were saying in the direct quote and context I included, well I'm sure that should be obvious to anyone else reading
and it'll be me that looks silly. There's really no need to accuse anyone of lying, particularly when all they've done is quote you verbatim.
As for navigating my 4" non touch screen device with a pointer and clicking with the D-pad this is both quick and easy and requires far less scrolling and is very accurate for navigation but then many of you that like to claim it isn't haven't even tried so just what you are basing your assumptions on is prejudice not fact or reality.
No, it's reality, I'm quite familiar with the interface. Also I'm no stranger to d-pads generally, my Tytn has one which I use all the time, it's nice to have it as an option for casual use - just not the sole means of control.
I also couldn't care less what device you choose to use and what suits you best is just your decision to make. But just because it is good for you doesn't make it for every one else does it?
Physician, heal thyself!
It certainly doesn't for me and i am happy to stick with my much larger and clearer screen and the great range of apps to choose from as there is nothing i can't get for my device that i want or need that WM has.
If i was keeping my iPhone i would of been able to set up my S60 device as a WiFi Hot Spot for the iPhone to use it's 3G/HSDPA connection so would actually of a had a 3G/HSDPA iPhone now and that works for any WiFi device.
Does WM have any software that will allow you to set it up as a WiFi Hot Spot and allow other WiFi devices to use it's 3G/HSDPA connection?
Yep, it's called WMWifirouter and it's freeware, although you can actually do the same trick without any software if you're happy doing the configuring yourself. WM is open and powerful like that.
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myth®
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
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On 2008-04-30 19:52:55, Dogmann wrote:
OK i wasn't aware there was one good to know but i suppose i should of mentioned that there are now two for S60 one of which is free and will stay free and one that is free now but might charge later on.
Here is another one for WM 6:
Walking HotSpot
It's not free, but you get a trial at least.
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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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Hi Boinng
Well at the link Masseur gave it appears to be 19.95 Euros? for that one and the one you have linked to is only free for now and limits connection to one device not up to 5 as when it is paid for is my understanding.
If you don't say things yet again i haven't said then i wouldn't need to comment really simple that is.
How about some comparison pictures of the TyTN2 browser displaying the same pages then either PIE or Opera or both would be good. I really am curious as to how well they deliver as in my experience i never really liked Opera in any of it's versions and really am not a fan of PIE either as when i had my TyTN1 found it very lacking, curious to see if it's any better yet.
Marc
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myth®
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PIE (Medium):
PIE (Smaller):
Opera (100%):
Opera (75%):
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SCre8or
Joined: Feb 19, 2007
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From: Egypt
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a real good thread in a good time for me  , as I m thinking of buying P1...
thanx a lot 
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kradcliffe
Joined: Mar 10, 2003
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From: Aberdeen, Scotland
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The N95 built in browser beats the P1i browser hands down. It is fast, easy to navigate with the D-pad and has never crashed yet, even running many pages together. The new auto rotation feature is great, just turn the phone and the browser is in landscape just like the iphone. My experience with the P1i browser was altogether different. It repeatedly hung, crashed and came up with out of memory messages. The fact that so many P1i users use Opera Mini tells it's own story.
I disagree with Marc in a way, I miss the touchscreen on the N95-2, but it is a far better device than the P1i. I am sorry, but when Nokia introduce TS to S60 there will be no single reason to go down the UIQ route again. The S60 interface may not be as comprehensive as UIQ, but at least it is very consistent. The P1i menus and options are all over the place. Bad implementation by SE full stop.
I have had many SE phones, and my wife still uses my P910i every day. It is brilliant, but I can't say the same about the P1i. The hardware is OK, the phone itself is great but SE's poor programming and non-existant support lets it down badly.
Add the N95's brilliant camera (with no green tint), video recording with TV out and the brilliant Nokia maps 2.0 (when it comes off beta) and you have the perfect device. A touchscreen would be the icing on the cake.
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SCre8or
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On 2008-04-30 21:18:49, kradcliffe wrote:
and the brilliant Nokia maps 2.0
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you gotta be kidding...!!! or you first saw GPS in your life was in nokia maps  ...cause as GSMarena.com says, the GPS chip in nokia's Nseries is NOT compatible with 3rd party apps.....
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myth®
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On 2008-04-30 21:18:49, kradcliffe wrote:
The fact that so many P1i users use Opera Mini tells it's own story.
It might tell its own story for 'P990' users, because the built in web browser isn't available in FC Mode + in earlier fw versions there were memory problems, which have been reduced in later fw versions.
But for P1i owners it's the same story as for any other Opera Mini user on any other mobile phone:
Light, functional, fast, economic (data transfer) and free.
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