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W960 V 5610: Dedicated Music Chip - How much difference does it make? |
Dogmann
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@thecell
Surely as you are the one claiming greater performance from a weaker processor and a no DSP chip device it is for you to prove how this manages to produce superior performance.
As how ever much you want it to be true it just isn't, Walkmans may be better than average mobiles but not the top of the range N series that have OMAP 2420 processor with DSP, whilst it is true Walkmans once led the field that was along time ago and Walkman phones have not advanced whilst others have both caught up and overtaken their performance.
As for the the headsets you mention sorry but they are only adequate at best the same as any bundled headphones are even though they may be based of the MDR ranges they are only the 51's at best.
Well as for this statement
"and yes it offer muchmore better quality than ipod"
You really can't be serious that's just the most ridiculous statement to make and again as i have pointed out all supplied headphones are only adequate at best encode your Music at a High quality bit rate and use a decent set of headphones and then you will see the quality of sound produced. At this level Walkmans are no where near the best and if you don't believe me just read what dissipointed SE fans have to say even about the W950 on this Forum. Some of you and others belief in Walkman and SE is just not justified by actual performance how ever much you want to believe SE and Walkman phones deliver they just don't unfortunately.
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djin
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@ QVGA
never mind, i got it. by pressing theback button i could indeed scroll, silly me.
@ Dogman
Seriously, i have used my friend's n5 8gb n It could be possible that it is utterly slow because it is spoilt. now he needs to restart his phone every day(more than once) to use his phone else he gets the general phone error thing. N its only 2 weeks, since he brought his phone. He has gone to the warranty ppl to get his phone exchanged. So i think that might solve the problem.
So this experience did change my mind from n95 8gb to w960i. I have resorted to this because, when i compared few operations on w950i and n95 8gb, side by side, i found that opening of phone book and calls wer faster in w950. I havent tried other stuffs.
OBviously, n95 8gb is an all rounder. It will be a better choice to most, but since i buy a phone because of music, i will be getting w960i(or w980 if at all its announced on dec 12), because i cant listen to music without mega bass. |
djin
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also, i cannot comment on any other se smart phones because i have only used w950i. I had only been using nokia(6630,6681,ngage,etc) phones until last year wen i decided to get se for a change... |
Dogmann
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@djin
Well if his N95 8GB is slower than a W950 it is not right as even the normal N95 is faster than UIQ3. I really don't know what he did to his but it is seriously not as it should be from what you are saying that's for sure.
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thecell
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On 2007-11-26 13:16:51, Dogmann wrote:
@thecell
Surely as you are the one claiming greater performance from a weaker processor and a no DSP chip device it is for you to prove how this manages to produce superior performance.
As how ever much you want it to be true it just isn't, Walkmans may be better than average mobiles but not the top of the range N series that have OMAP 2420 processor with DSP, whilst it is true Walkmans once led the field that was along time ago and Walkman phones have not advanced whilst others have both caught up and overtaken their performance.
As for the the headsets you mention sorry but they are only adequate at best the same as any bundled headphones are even though they may be based of the MDR ranges they are only the 51's at best.
Well as for this statement
"and yes it offer muchmore better quality than ipod"
You really can't be serious that's just the most ridiculous statement to make and again as i have pointed out all supplied headphones are only adequate at best encode your Music at a High quality bit rate and use a decent set of headphones and then you will see the quality of sound produced. At this level Walkmans are no where near the best and if you don't believe me just read what dissipointed SE fans have to say even about the W950 on this Forum. Some of you and others belief in Walkman and SE is just not justified by actual performance how ever much you want to believe SE and Walkman phones deliver they just don't unfortunately.
Marc
[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-11-26 12:17 ]
I'm not claiming walkman sound better than nokia with dsp chip as i never tried it before, but my experience compare to n95 and n91, walkman sound, dunno that nokias have a dsp or not. What you say is true but i as my experience with PC hardware, fast and high processor absolutely improve phone performance but not for audio quality, you cant compare sound based on the processor speed, the only advantage to the sound just the music app will running with better speed, less lagging and can improve nicer visualisation.
Bundled walkman handsfree much better than other phone bundled hf, even k750 which hardware same as w800 didnt provide richer and better quality audio to w800. You can try it yourself, thats why the hpm70 hf price $10 (my country) higher than general SE phone bundled hf.
About w950, yes i had experience the problem before, hf sound will be low and some other problem, but it work perfect now after i update it with latest firmware. I happy with my w950.
Point of my post before is 'Walkman not just a brand name', only that. Maybe some Walkman phone had a problem with the sound quality, but that was only firmware problem, Real Walkman quality fone always give us. great sound quality, thats why SE now identic to Music phone.
And last, i admit SE do too badly this 2years, if SE continue do a bad work and offer bad phone again, i think i will get another brand.
thank you for respon, and sorry for my bad english
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rehamer
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Well, this is my experience on DSPs.
n95-2 is almost identical to n95-1 except the screen size and memory capacity. n91 has separate DSP dedicated for music playback. w550/600, unfortunately, the only available SE for my test.
I plugged all fones into a sony car stereo.
n95-1 at 80% volume produces average sound. Yet cracking at full.
w550/600 produces clearer sound compared to n95 but absolutely no par with n91.
n91-8GB, the sound is just so great, even at full volume. I think, it is here where you will notice the real difference. |
Ranjith
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@ the author
THE BEST WAY IS TO COMPARE IT YOURSELF....with the same pair of earphones and PICK THE ONE YOU LIKE...
sry...off topic..
does stand alone MP3 players have DSP chips?
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Dogmann
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@thecell
Whilst i appreciate a lot of what you are saying even you yourself say
"the only advantage to the sound just the music app will running with better speed, less lagging and can improve nicer visualisation."
I agree with two of these points and this is the point of a faster more powerful processor as both the better speed and less lagging have to improve the listening experience as either of those two things reduce it. It also allows you to do other things such as Web Browsing which is processor intensive without the loss of quality to the Music.
The last point i don't agree with as who really looks at their Music player whilst listening to Music much as the same way i view Album Art it's nice but only for the starting and selection of Music as again who stares at their phone whilst listening to Music.
I also agree with this
"Bundled walkman handsfree much better than other phone bundled hf,"
But even then any bundled headphones are only adequate at best even upgrading to Sony MDR-71SL's will make a vast difference and moving further up to some thing like the Shure EC2g's which were still under £40 improves this further but only when in conjunction with using a higher encoding bit rate as the lower the bit rate the less information the processor has to produce the sound from.
I know this because i have moved from 128kbps MP3'S to 160kbps AAC and now use 256kbps AAC and this along with using a good set of headphones has vastly improved the Music listening experience. Only really at this sort of level are phones able to give as good an experience as some dedicated Music Players IMO. But not everyone wants or needs the same experience to be happy what is good for some may not be to all as individuals we all have our own perception of what is good enough. A true Audiophile would find all of these totally inadequate and unacceptable.
@rehamer
Well your findings are very interesting especially as both the N95-1 and the N95-2 or N95 8GB both run on exactly the same chip the OMAP2420 which has DSP so really should both have the same results. But again as mentioned before just how high a bit rate the Music is encoded at plays a big part in how it sounds, and really no device should ever need to be played at full volume as loudness does not equate to quality in any way IMO.
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famous12
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On 2007-11-25 18:33:51, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-11-25 17:26:15, djin wrote:
well..as far as i have seen and heard.i think se gives better experience. Definitely, w950i's phone speaker was too low, but thru head phones it did give good quality.
n95 8gb is definitely the best phone from nokia and otherwise too, but i think its still slow. What is dissapointing in its music player is that u cannot scroll the play list when ur playin music..u need to go to options then library n etc. which is quite a work, compring it to even the 1st version of walman.
Maybe nokia phone might produce better sound(which i cudnt feel it in any of the phones such as n91,n81,n95 and n95 8gb), but i love the mega bass, which is trade mark of sony. Also a dsp drains the battery more faster. So if i wanted to listen more music without the hassle of rechargin(many times) then definitely i wud go for w960i(anyways m gon GET w960i anyhow, payback time ~27hrs).
Also one can always purchase an hbh ds980, if they missed dsp that much.
u can scroll the playlist during music playback with a press of a button. shame that u didnt know it.
[ This Message was edited by: QVGA on 2007-11-25 17:34 ]
my w300i beats my ipod nano believe it or not.Sony A800 beats any mp3 player in the market.
I do not believe in hardware tests.
How do test cameras ? ?
ans: You take pictures and take a look at the picture quality.
How do you test mp3 players ? ?
ans: You listen to them and the one which sounds better is the best.
Please do not comepare nokia music phones (how can they be music phone is a few hours of music kill the battery?) with Walkman.Its just not a perfect match.Nokia music interface looks cheap not to mention the sound quality.Just dont let crappy hardware tests convince you.
User experience should count 1st then reviews and tests.
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Dogmann
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@famous12
Part of what you have said makes perfect sense but then part of it doesn't have you actually listened to the N95 or the N95 8GB?
As i have and quite simply Music encoded @256kbps AAC sounds stunning and lasts longer than just a couple of hours to. As for interfaces whilst they may look good they definitely come second to how the Music sounds as that is the most important thing. I would never choose a lower quality sound just because the interface looks good a that is just plain stupid IMO.
I really don't know what some of expect from the interface but even Album Art IMO is nothing more than a pretty gimmick hardly an essential element of listening to Music. As it happens i really like the Music interface of the Nokia Music player and as it performs all the functions i need in a clear and easy to navigate way and that's more than enough.
As for sound quality well it easily matches my 80GB 5th Gen iPod and that's why it will shortly be sold. If you only want to buy Sony or SE fair enough that's your choice and your money but this unfounded belief that they always delver the best is no longer true it may of been once but unfortunately just isn't any longer. Which is why after a long time of only buying products from these companies i no longer buy either Sony or SE products and if and when they start making the best again i will buy them again.
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