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SsTiTcH
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A few frightening similitaries.. Or something to think about. 1. 1930s Germany the Hitler Youth Movement = America 1990s the Americacorp Youth Movement 2. 1930/40s Germany the Brownshirts an SS = 2001 America the Dept of Homeland Security. 3. 1930s Germany Adolf Hitler Seizes Power = 2000 America George Bush Seizes Power.. 4. 1920s 30 40s German persecution of Jewish people = 2000s American wars on Muslim countries Afghanistan and Iraq.. Wake up world History is Repeating itself. | |
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JK
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@ scots
Sudan and somalia yes, Burkino Faso isnt that poor, You also forgot Kenya!
So you got 3 poor (drastically) against the rest of the world!
If anything Islam is not spread amongst poverty!
Just clearing up that point!
One more thing.... what the hell are you on arguing about!!?? U nitpicking at axxxrs posts and not really answering or stating anything! |
axxxr
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On 2006-03-09 11:05:00, SsTiTcH wrote:
A few frightening similitaries.. Or something to think about. 1. 1930s Germany the Hitler Youth Movement = America 1990s the Americacorp Youth Movement 2. 1930/40s Germany the Brownshirts an SS = 2001 America the Dept of Homeland Security. 3. 1930s Germany Adolf Hitler Seizes Power = 2000 America George Bush Seizes Power.. 4. 1920s 30 40s German persecution of Jewish people = 2000s American wars on Muslim countries Afghanistan and Iraq.. Wake up world History is Repeating itself.
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Very well said,and thats precisely my argument for which some people here think im paranoid and delusional!
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solidsingh
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these discussions always come to the same conclusion so lets cut to the chase
bush is a twat
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axxxr
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The problem is much bigger than bush,..even if bush goes i don't think it would change much in terms of america's objective towards its foreign policy...Bush in other worlds is a small snake in a much larger snake pit!
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JK
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A little joke!
George Bush goes to a school to give a speech.
After his talk he offers question time.
One little boy puts up his hand and George asks him what his name is.
"Bob".
"And what is your question, Bob?"
"I have 3 questions.
First, Why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN?
Second, Why are you President when Kerry got more votes?
And third, what happened to Osama Bin Laden?
Just then the bell rings for recess. George Bush informs the kiddies
that they will continue after recess.
When they resume George says, "OK, where were we?
Oh that's right --- question time. Who has a question?"
A different little boy puts up his hand . George points him out and asks
him what his name is. "Steve"
"And what is your question, Steve?"
"I have 5 questions.
First, Why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN?
Second, Why are you President when Kerry got more votes?
Third, What happened to Osama Bin Laden?
Fourth, Why did the recess bell go 20 minutes early?!
And fifth, where is "Bob"?!!
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scotsboyuk
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On 2006-03-09 12:17:31, 786KBR wrote:
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Sudan and somalia yes, Burkino Faso isnt that poor, You also forgot Kenya!
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From the CIA World Factbook entry on Burkina Faso:
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| One of the poorest countries in the world, landlocked Burkina Faso has few natural resources and a weak industrial base. |
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I actually listed eleven countries with majority Muslim populations that are poor. I also mentioned that there are a number of other countries, which are poor, but in which Islam does not have an overall majority, but which does constitute a sizeable minority e.g. Tanzania.
Kenya is not quite as poor as some other African nations and doesn't feature a Muslim majority. Islam accounts for approximately 10% of the Kenyan population.
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So you got 3 poor (drastically) against the rest of the world!
If anything Islam is not spread amongst poverty!
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As I said before, the answer to your question depends upon one's definition of a Muslim country. There are are at least eleven countries in Africa that have majority Muslim populations and which can be described as poor. If one uses additional factors as a measure of whether a country is Islamic or not and what constitutes 'poor' then that number can be higher.
Your original question focused upon poor Islamic countries in Africa, if we are to consider the entire world then the number is higher still. If you take a look through an encyclopedia or Wikipedia you can see a number of Islamic countries around the world, which are poor e.g. Turkmenistan or Afghanistan.
That there are a number of poor Islamic countries around the world is not an indication that Islam is responsible for poverty. Rather these countries are poor due to other factors, such as past colonialism, civil war, corruption, etc. Such factors are not exclusive to Islamic countries, but it just so happens that many Islamic countries have suffered from such problems and are currently ranked as being poor.
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One more thing.... what the hell are you on arguing about!!?? U nitpicking at axxxrs posts and not really answering or stating anything!
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Unfortunately the points I am responding to are so ludicrous and abstracted from reality that I imagine it might very well be difficult to follow what is going on.
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slattery69
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On 2006-03-09 12:17:31, 786KBR wrote:
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One more thing.... what the hell are you on arguing about!!?? U nitpicking at axxxrs posts and not really answering or stating anything!
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nip picking is very different from what im reading in this thread. from what i can see scots is trying to get axxxr to present evidence for what hes claimed to be fact or just admit what he s posted is nothing more than his own opinion.
i ve no problem with people having an opinion (even if mine is different) i do have a problem when people claim things to be fact and cant back it up. i msure you would be the same if someone presented something about islam that was there opinion and tried to present it as fact and offered no evidence to back it up.
in one thread were reading that the war in iraq and afghanistain is all about money and oil (something no doubt seen in sky ones conspiracy series) the next thread its a war on muslims the opinions change like the wind round here
if people have opinions fair play present your opinion dont try to pretend your presenting facts when you clearly arent other wise someone is going to pick you up on it and youll end up looking anything but credable
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scotsboyuk
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On 2006-03-09 11:05:00, SsTiTcH wrote:
A few frightening similitaries.. Or something to think about.
1. 1930s Germany the Hitler Youth Movement = America 1990s the Americacorp Youth Movement
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Are you meaning the Americorps Movement? If so I don't see how one can directly compare the two. The Hitler Youth was an organisation dedicated to instilling loyalty in children towards Adolf Hitler and reinforcing Nazi party values.
Americorps does not seek to glorify any one person nor does it seek to reinforce a particular political ideology. Americorps is composed of different organisations infact and membership of Americorps is not mandatory for American children, unlike the Hitler Youth.
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2. 1930/40s Germany the Brownshirts an SS = 2001 America the Dept of Homeland Security.
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The Brown Shirts (Sturmabteilung) were a paramilitary force used by the Nazis to intimidate their opponents. The Departmen of Homeland Security is a government organisation, which is charged with the protection of the American homeland and does not operate a para-military force.
The Brown Shirts were organised in a military manner and were ultimately answerable to Hitler. The Deperatment of Homeland Security is a cabinet department of the United States government and is overseen by not only the President, but by the elected members of the United States Congress.
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3. 1930s Germany Adolf Hitler Seizes Power = 2000 America George Bush Seizes Power..
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The Nazis employed intimidation and violence against their political opponents in their rise to power. There may be questionable aspects to George Bush's election win in 2000, but there was no equivalent of the Reichstag fire nor of the use of paramilitary forces.
Equally important is the fact that once the Nazis assumed power they banned other political parties and Hitler was established as the supreme authority in Germany. George Bush has not banned other political parties and submitted himself for re-election in 2004 in line with the democratic system used in the U.S. Furthermore George Bush does not have absolute authority since he can be impeached by Congress as well as the government being subject to judicial review.
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4. 1920s 30 40s German persecution of Jewish people = 2000s American wars on Muslim countries Afghanistan and Iraq..
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The Nazies espoused anti-Jewish views before they were in power and continued to do so afterwards. They enacted laws to deprive Jews of their rights and subjected Jews to humiliating treatment as well as eventually murdering millions of Jews.
The American government has not deprived American Muslims of any of their rights. The American government has waged war on Islamic extremists, but has differentiated between Islam in general and extremists. The American government, in waging war against Islamic countries, has not sought to commit genocide or deliberately kill civilians. Equally important is the fact that some Islamic countries have allied themselves with the U.S. in fighting Islamic extremists.
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Wake up world History is Repeating itself.
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The comparisons you draw are at best inaccurate and at worst vile.
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axxxr
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Scotsboyuk lets face it your as stubborn as i am and we clearly have opposite views to each other,I can see that this debate with you is going absolutely nowhere...I will always have something to say to you and you will the same to me....you know what my viewpoint is and i will always stand by what i say!....I think its best that we call it a day on this topic!
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scotsboyuk
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On 2006-03-09 20:14:49, axxxr wrote:
Scotsboyuk lets face it your as stubborn as i am and we clearly have opposite views to each other,I can see that this debate with you is going absolutely nowhere...I will always have something to say to you and you will the same to me....you know what my viewpoint is and i will always stand by what i say!....I think its best that we call it a day on this topic!
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The problem I see here isn't so much that you don't have something to say, rather it is that you don't have much (if anything) in the way of evidence to support your views, which are, at times, self-contradictory.
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axxxr
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On 2006-03-10 16:29:59, scotsboyuk wrote:
The problem I see here isn't so much that you don't have something to say, rather it is that you don't have much (if anything) in the way of evidence to support your views, which are, at times, self-contradictory.
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I don't need to provide evidence,we are not in a court of law here,besides some situations cannot be proved unless you go out into the real world and experience them first hand....Most of the time i that you contradict yourself.
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