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Rokin#128
Joined: Oct 13, 2003
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From: Amsterdam
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People please, there is not a big market in Europe for EDGE. Ultimately, the faster UMTS will be rolled out here. As for more american phones getting EDGE, that's great if you're in the states, but here in europe SE will continue to make UMTS phones alongside GSM phones with only an occasional EDGE phone. So it's doubtfull you'll ever have a wider range of choices when you want an SE EDGE phone on a plan in the shops. Simply since the majority of consumers (where the money is) will remain on gsm for a while as UMTS is still relatively expensive and drains your battery (not to mention all the questionmarks around the high radiation).
K750 with EDGE? Course not, that would make it too expensive and uninteresting for the masses it is now reaching. Same goes for the W800. I doubt they will release a walkman phone with 3G for quite a while as they still can't make batteries run on air. lol
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JK
Joined: Feb 24, 2005
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Why would it make it expensive??? Like I said earlier the 3220 has edge!! Thats not expensive!
Its v/fones bright idea not to have edge, If orange/02 or whatever other network you have decides to bring in edge, believe me they will have EDGE!!! 
As for UMTS taking over GSM! It wont happen unless they invest billions and trillions in stabilising it to accomadate milions of users at a time!!! |
goldenface
Joined: Dec 17, 2003
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From: Liverpool City Centre
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@786kbr. We seem to be going around in circles here. SE's core market is Europe. Operators are pushing 3G. They need people to buy 3G. They have invested a lot in 3G. They want 3G phones in their line up. They would rather people didn't use ANYTHING ELSE including EDGE. It would be an economic blunder for them to have people using Edge instead of 3G. So maybe SE provides mainly 3G and not edge handsets for the European market for them. Do you see what I'm getting at?
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baja462
Joined: Jun 03, 2004
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From: Sydney, Australia
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w0ah somebody fill me in! wats EDGE? is that just uber fast internet?!
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JK
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On 2005-08-25 13:53:09, goldenface wrote:
@786kbr. We seem to be going around in circles here. SE's core market is Europe. Operators are pushing 3G. They need people to buy 3G. They have invested a lot in 3G. They want 3G phones in their line up. They would rather people didn't use ANYTHING ELSE including EDGE. It would be an economic blunder for them to have people using Edge instead of 3G. So maybe SE provides mainly 3G and not edge handsets for the European market for them. Do you see what I'm getting at?
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ok
1. I get that, Vodafone here have the same setup and think edge is a waste!!
2. Our other network, (who has 3G and edge)(  base towers) are stealing the vodafone customers!!
I went on some training on vodafone.
What I understand is 3G uses GPRS as a back up, if you lose 3G signal it automatically switches to GPRS and back to 3g depending on the area u in, , so wouldnt edge be a better default data carrier????!! Yes it would and thats why has an edge enabled 3g data card!!!!
I think it would, but i dont doubt vodafones strategists maybe they have somthing up their sleeve ... or they just stingy!!
BTW our other network, very small independent company not a lot of money power compared to vodafone decided to go full ahead and has all types of data, and they gaining customers!!!
If rather follow eurpean trends theres not much I can do, exept go to nokia.... or samsung... small maybe!! 
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whizkidd
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What we need to understand here is that EDGE and WCDMA are complementary technologies that together will sustain an operators need for 3g network coverage and capacity nationwide. Enhancing a gprs network is accomplished through evolution with EDGE within the existing spectrum and by deploying Wcdma in the new frequency band. Rolling out the two technologies in parallel enables faster time market for the new high speed data services as well as lower capital expenditures. .......(continued) |
whizkidd
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Edge is designed to integrate into the existing network. The installed base evolves; it is not replaced or built from the scratch making implementation seamless. Fast, easy rollout means shorter time to market, which in turn can lead to increased market share. Also, harmonization of wcdma and edge can be seen as a foundation towards one seamless gsm and wcdma network with a combined core network and different access methods that are transparent to the end user.
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goldenface
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@Whizz. So why is there no Edge in the UK?
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JK
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Coz u got 1 network monopilising the UK market and telling manufacturers what to do ... and they just stingy!!!
I hope one of the other networks there bring in edge!! youl see the difference... why would you want 25-40 mbs when you can have 150-200kbs??? they just trying to kick off 3G coz they wasted so much for the past 7 years on it and they dont want it to fail!! coz 3G itself will be outdated by 2007.
But this isnt bout 3G its about and edge ... i mean and NO edge...
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whizkidd
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@goldenface, the reasons are best known to uk operators. Also, the market dynamics in uk and most of europe are different..But there is EDGE in Usa, india(huge!) oceania, and in almost 100+ countries. In many of these countries Edge is a more viable option than 3g as of now...its allright for  to focus on its core market.. But right now its doing so at the risk of ignoring emerging markets...it will take really long for 3g to catch up in a country like ours.Btw,how does 4usd a month for egprs sound?
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REO
Joined: Nov 21, 2004
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As much as I love SE, if it continues to ignore the American market, then I will be forced to switch.
I have an S710 which I absolutely love. I'd also love to have a K750 with EDGE and 850 MHZ.
Would also love a P series with EDGE.
EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE Do not make the mistake to ignore the american consumer. The reason why is getting their pants beaten in sales here in the U.S. , is due to not placing enough importance on the american consumer. Nokia stinks, however as long as sleeps, Nokia will continue to dominate the U.S. market.
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Supa_Fly
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@goldenface, and anyone else that believes or thinks there is no point on why SE should put EGPRS/GPRS+EDGE into their mid to high end phones. Just fyi if Europe is the target market, why offer the k750i & W800 to the America's (Mexico, Canada, USA) with just GPRS when we here have EGPRS.?? Also what about those customers in Europe that roam; dont they roam to countries with EDGE? or is their flight plan only restricted to European 3G only supporting countries?? So this phone series ISNT targeted at a specific Target Market - Marketing 101 - like the P800/900/910 was. But to a generic market; void of age group, sex, or even familiarity with shooting pictures. what SE failed to look into is POSSIBLE usuage of data services locally or when roaming. They did look into POSSIBLE usuage of the camera - simple for all users, and several features for those more inclined to use them.
This is regarding my following quotes in two different pages here in prior arguements on this situation, please read the hotlinked link and you'll see why. The following quote is taken on the date: May 5, 2005 for reference of timeline.
[Quote=prom1]This is a verbatim of what I posted in another thread as to why SE should implement EDGE in their products more.
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/March2005/1186.htm (EDGE spreading throughout the Americas) dated March 14, 2005. This link lists that EDGE covers 93% or the Canadian population = potentially 250 million people. Futhermore, Mexico also implemented EDGE and available to potential 29 million people; along with another 8 Latin American countries. EDGE is adopted by 154 operators in 87 countries together offering potentially 1 quarter billion customers. I think that is enough reason for EDGE to be implemented, maybe along with European 2100mhz UMTS at least for Europe/Asia/African nations (yes Africa does have EDGE).
On a competitiveness angle SE makes only 5(s710a, 3data cards, z500 - no its not discountinued) products that have EDGE, while Nokia makes (6630/6680/6681/6682/6620/6220/6221) an estimate of 7+. Of those at least 3 of those products offer EDGE & UMTS, not all potential users will stay in their geographical market for the products lifespan, and thus may travel to Canada/USA/Mexico.
Cingular in the US is already testing UMTS for both North America's 850+1900Mhz bands. They have an existing infrastructure for EDGE in the majority of their coverage. SE could manufacture UMTS for the Americas for these existing bands.
Sure EDGE is slower than UMTS however it is cheaper for manufacturers to implement in products & for carriers to deploy. Besides do those of you loving UMTS data speeds, would you prefer your QoS (Quality of Service) to drop to GPRS speeds instead of EDGE? Sure UMTS coverage is extensive in Europe & most of Asia, but don't expect it in the Americas for another 2 years at best for most coverage areas. [/Quote]
Most of this information is STILL relevant, hence why SE has 2 new phones with EDGE since the data cards & S710a. 3G with the walkman lineup would help their bottom line with partnering with providers wanting to make more money with offering full song downloads. THink SonyMusic ONLINE> hehe. 
Another reason is Ericsson already sells a complete GPRS/EDGE platform, EVEN with smartphone support for other manufacturers like Panasonic!
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JK
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Shame, you UK data users dont know what you'll missing..
I agree edge doesnt cost that much to implement.. didnt think it will, it also doesnt need an entire network, just that the network needs to be slightly modified!!
Whats with Vodafone???  Because i think its coz of them that phones dont have edge!!!! |
goldenface
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@prom1. I am not saying there should not be more Edge handsets on offer. All I am trying to say is that SE's original core market, when it was founded, WAS Europe and Japan where there was no Edge. That why there are few Edge handsets. I am not or have never knocked the Edge, its cool. Things are now changing and now that SE is pushing for market share we'll see more ofthe Edge.
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Arne Anka
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On 2005-08-24 17:39:18, Prom1 wrote:
@Arne, i know that your highly respected here but i must disagree with months of experience. First please reiterate what version of 3g gives you 2mbps? The first version of 3g is 384kbps download -this is not hspda- just regular 3g.
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Hi Prom1.
I said 2 Mbps is a theoretical (what has been calculated in simulations) value with 250-350 Kbps as more practical value (what can be expected in real networks). I hope you know that a theoretical value means.
Likewise, I mentioned HSDPA has a theoretical value of 14 Mbps. The speed in reality will be much lower (perhaps 1-3 Mbps). I mentioned HSDPA since I believe WCDMA/UMTS is the future while EDGE is history. EDGE will not be further developed while WCDMA/UMTS will (today HSDPA, tomorrow HSUPA).
When you have limited resources as SE you have to spend them where they do most good. For SE that's 3G, not EDGE. It does not make any difference how big the EDGE market is, SE can still not earn much money on it as they can on the 3G market and that's the only important point.
For other companies it may be the oposite and for Nokia, due to their dominating position, they can make money anywhere. But SE can't.
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