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axxxr Joined: Mar 21, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Londinium PM, WWW
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Actor William Baldwin arrives at a Louis Boston party in Boston, Wednesday, July 28
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alpal Joined: Jun 28, 2004 Posts: 190 From: Malaysia PM, WWW
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Hello Patrick, can I join in the discussion bout G.Bush in general and specifically on his foreign policy? I'm asking coz I dont want to just butt in and sound rude. Have to say, I'm impressed by the way you argue, but I do think some of ur points merit closer analysis. If you dont want to debate/discuss with me, no problem I'll just be a silent observer. If not let the discussion begin. Cheers |
Patrick-in-CA Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 0 From: Sourhern Oregon, USA PM |
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On 2004-07-30 11:41:09, alpal wrote:
Hello Patrick, can I join in the discussion bout G.Bush in general and specifically on his foreign policy? I'm asking coz I dont want to just butt in and sound rude. Have to say, I'm impressed by the way you argue, but I do think some of ur points merit closer analysis. If you dont want to debate/discuss with me, no problem I'll just be a silent observer. If not let the discussion begin. Cheers
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This was not my thread to begin with ... and when I butted in I was called a few rude things ... but I stayed. So I have absolutely no right whatsoever to tell someone they can or cannot post. I'm here to debate. I'm here to learn something as well as work toward being able to defend my opinions better. And if I cannot defend my opinions well, then it's time for me to rethink myself. I welcome the discussion. What's on your mind?
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methylated_spirit Joined: Jul 07, 2004 Posts: > 500 From: Bonnie Scotland PM |
Anyone can post anywhere they like, but try to make sure its relevant to the issue
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Patrick-in-CA Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 0 From: Sourhern Oregon, USA PM |
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On 2004-07-30 01:39:59, axxxr wrote:
Actor William Baldwin (who is clearly not a political science major) arrives at a Louis Boston party in Boston, Wednesday, July 28
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Don't you just love the expression on his face?
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axxxr Joined: Mar 21, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Londinium PM, WWW
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On 2004-07-30 16:36:12, Patrick-in-CA wrote:
On 2004-07-30 01:39:59, axxxr wrote:
Actor William Baldwin (who is clearly not a political science major) arrives at a Louis Boston party in Boston, Wednesday, July 28
Don't you just love the expression on his face?
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Patrick i would appreciate that you don't stoop so low and not twist the text on my posts!
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Patrick-in-CA Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 0 From: Sourhern Oregon, USA PM |
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On 2004-07-30 17:44:58, axxxr wrote:
Patrick i would appreciate that you don't stoop so low and not twist the text on my posts! |
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It wasn't your post. It was mine. How can I edit the text on your posts? And by the way ... Willie Baldwin is an actor, not a political scientist. If you have evidence to prove me wrong - then you could ask me not to lie. Otherwise - I'll continue posting the truth.
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axxxr Joined: Mar 21, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Londinium PM, WWW
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It wasn't your post. It was mine. How can I edit the text on your posts? And by the way ... Alix Baldwin is an actor, not a political scientist. If you have evidence to prove me wrong - then you could ask me not to lie. Otherwise - I'll continue posting the truth.
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You edited my text in your post Alec baldwin ("who is clearly not a political science major).
Alec Baldwin has never suggest that he is a political Scientist in any way....He is of course a very well know actor and just airing his views on what he thinks of bush..Sorry but i beg to differ..your leader Bush over the last 3 years in office has proven that he is a consistant liar and has be proven to be one..so posting your version of the truth does'nt really amount to much.
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Patrick-in-CA Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 0 From: Sourhern Oregon, USA PM |
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Patrick-in-CA Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 0 From: Sourhern Oregon, USA PM |
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On 2004-07-30 19:32:14, axxxr wrote:
You edited my text in your post Alec baldwin ("who is clearly not a political science major).
Alec Baldwin has never suggest that he is a political Scientist in any way....He is of course a very well know actor and just airing his views on what he thinks of bush..Sorry but i beg to differ..your leader Bush over the last 3 years in office has proven that he is a consistant liar and has be proven to be one..so posting your version of the truth does'nt really amount to much. |
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion. Oh, and is it William or Alick or whatever his name is. There are so many of them aren't there. Billy is in there too somewhere, hu? So confusing.
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axxxr Joined: Mar 21, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Londinium PM, WWW
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion. Oh, and is it William or Alick or whatever his name is. There are so many of them aren't there. Billy is in there too somewhere, hu? So confusing.
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And of course you are entitled to yours.
I think the baldwin family have 7 brothers and 2 sisters not quote sure but they are a nice big family...
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Patrick-in-CA Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 0 From: Sourhern Oregon, USA PM |
I just can't wait!
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kimcheeboi Joined: Dec 19, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Abducted by hot blondes to Les PM |
just like saddam
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Patrick-in-CA Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 0 From: Sourhern Oregon, USA PM |
Well folks - I did a little (and I do mean little) research and unfortunately I was unable to find polls to objectively tell just what percentage of Brits/Europeans hate Bush. I'd like to mention, once again, that even if most (or even the "vast majority" as has been claimed) Europeans want to see Bush loose the upcoming election, it will not make much difference in the US. Frankly, and I know it sounds rather stuck up and arrogant, many US Citizens resent Europeans trying to campaign for a US presidential election - as Axxxr has said he is trying to do. One of the lesser problems John Kerry is facing over here is the claim he made that many unnamed European leaders back his candidacy. It didn't go over well with the common folk and he hasn't repeated it and hasn't hinted toward European support any more.
It is also interesting to note that of what I can find shows that while Europeans want John Kerry elected, they tend not to know anything about him and only want him because they hate Bush. Be careful what you wish for people - you just might get it. And if any of you saw the speech he gave at the DNC Convention last night you might have heard his very hawkish words about how he would continue the war on terror full blast. Anyway - here's what I could find. (Hint to Axxxr - you might want to try the technique of posting your opinion and then a supporting piece of journalism like this to convince more people of the correctness of your arguments)
Many Europeans Rooting for Kerry
July 30, 2004 03:22 PM EDT
A poster for the movie "The World According To Bush" hangs behind two French soldiers waiting for the start of the Bastille Day military parade in Paris in this July 14, 2004, file photo. Europe's deep disdain for President Bush seems to be the engine behind John Kerry's growing appeal on the "old" side of the Atlantic despite the fact that he is still an unknown quantity in Paris, London and Berlin. (AP Photo/Jacques Brinon, File)
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Antipathy to Bush has translated into enthusiasm for the Democratic presidential nominee, whose speech Thursday at his party's convention in Boston was broadcast in much of Europe.
Daniel Thouw of Berlin, who has been observing the U.S. election campaign on Web sites and television, said he does not know where Kerry stands on many issues, but still thinks he would make a better president than Bush.
"I know, for example, that Ronald Reagan's son spoke for him, and so did Bill Clinton," said the 28-year-old graphic designer. "Everyone is better than Bush."
Alfred Gusenbauer, the chairman of Austria's opposition Socialist Party, said Friday he thinks a Kerry victory "would lead America back into the international community of nations."
Gusenbauer said he considers Kerry "a very respectable presidential candidate," reflecting broad support for the senator in Austria, which scorned the United States for going to war in Iraq despite the grave misgivings of many European countries, especially France and Germany.
Some analysts cautioned against viewing Kerry as a magic candidate with the power to heal the trans-Atlantic alliance.
Bruno Tertrais, a senior research fellow at the Foundation for Strategic Research in Paris, said Kerry's rhetoric - such as his convention pledge to continue the "global war on terror" - was uncomfortably similar to Bush's.
Many Europeans believe Bush has made terrorism an even greater threat by expanding the war against al-Qaida into a "global" one that included enemies like Saddam Hussein, Tertrais said.
"The French and the Europeans should not expect a Kerry president to change everything," said Tertrais. "I would caution about expectations on both sides."
In Britain, some commentators think Kerry has one main asset - he's not George W. Bush.
"It is not just a narrow majority of American voters who, according to current polls, want Mr. Bush to be defeated in November," The Guardian said in an editorial on the convention. "It is an overwhelming majority of the citizens of other lands, those of this country very much included." |
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Sorry ... had to interrupt here. Wouldn't this be a great place to put a statistical poll showing objective research data to back up the claim that "an overwhelming majority of the citizens of other lands" want Bush out? And note the bold where it shows that only a narrow majority of American voters want Bush out ... More on that later. Now back to the "news" clip.
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| Some note that a Kerry victory could be awkward for Prime Minister Tony Blair, Bush's staunchest supporter on the war in Iraq.
All major British newspapers and TV networks gave the Democratic convention heavy coverage. And some commentators said Kerry's failings are beside the point.
"He lacks vision, he inspires nobody - and let's face it, it doesn't matter," ran the headline on an op-ed piece about Kerry in The Times. |
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See? They like Kerry only because they Hate Bush ... not because they think Kerry is any good.
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| Doris Bartel, a physical therapist from the eastern German city of Strausberg, said she was impressed by Kerry's wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.
Heinz Kerry "seems very resolute and strong. In Germany, it's very different," Bartel said. "The wife doesn't step out into the public. It's an American mentality."
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Associated Press writers Matt Surman and Jill Lawless contributed to this report from Berlin and London. |
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gelfen Joined: Nov 22, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Melbourne, Australia PM |
i heard a bit of Kerry's DNC address on the news last night. i think that between Bush and Kerry i'd go for Kerry - if only because he can construct whole sentences.
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