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Tervel
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
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I've been so bored waiting for this vapor-firmware to be released I pulled out my old Audiovox SMT5600 (aka SPV C500/ SDA) and upgraded it to Windows Mobile 6...
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marv0083
Joined: Aug 12, 2007
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I'm really disappointed with SE..... I hope they can see this and take action
I hate this volume rocker disappearing! and a slower response on the menu not as smooth as other phones |
Supa_Fly
Joined: Apr 16, 2002
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On 2008-02-11 12:55:07, B.Thomas wrote:
This forum starts to sound like a kinder garden! Stop pounding on forum members and pound on SE instead.
[ This Message was edited by: B.Thomas on 2008-02-11 11:56 ]
Most intelligent post on this thread since page 150!
Seriously ppl. Lets think logically for a moment and put your fanaticism aside. Me included because on March 21st I'm buying the K850i because it offers what I want and need for my network. I'm a Blackberry lover but my provider doesn't offer unlimited data at all; and with 5GB @ $200CAN presently (its tier'd from 1GB @ $60/mth) I cannot enjoy a BB HH in anyway. I'm a LONG time SE fan & user.
Now lets truely think.
1> SE has a record of upgrading firmwares to resolve device bugs reported by end user and end user community for MANY years & ALL previous models.
2> How many firmware updates have been issued available for Unlocked Unbranded Original SE K850i's version the branded models for providers?
Lets tally them!
3> IF its ANYTHING less than the least produced Ericsson or SonyEricsson model and its over 6 mths and we can CLEARLY & professionally document these issues; ESPECIALLY with new devices announced sharing features from the K850i yet divided amongst these other devices (C902, W760i, etc); Then we have a CLEAR case for a CLASS Action lawsuit!
^ I don't know of ANY cellular hardware company that has done this and gotten away with it. Nokia suffered this just less than 2 yrs back. Motorola suffered this 4-5yrs back with the old C333 model (??) that had a worthless non replaceable user battery.
Now who's willing to document this thread accordingly and present their sales receipt & get others in their country and present it to a smart law firm.??!!!
I'm sorry SonyEricsson I love your devices, I REALLY do. I'm STILL willing to purchase one thats IS available on the market. However, when you advertise a high-end phone (top of its segment) for a premium amount, yet having no updates to fix issue that have been reported to you by users that have PAID for this premium device - only wanting to enjoy it - is not only ignorant, unprofessional, and ill business practice, but its also considered unethical and wrongful. You DO want Repeat business do you NOT!?
IF Nokia offered a similar phone with S40 or S60 with decent keys and this small size without that horrible Finnish block design; you'd have an issue come 4mths from now. I myself have ALMOST purchased an N82. If that N82 had UMTS 850/1900Mhz combination (just THIS ALONE) it would've been mine already despite the production gap issues ppl are now experiencing 2-3mths of ownership.
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tonchy
Joined: Jan 19, 2006
Posts: 188
From: Bolivia
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@Tervel
Finally, some light. I can see you are a fast learner, you made a big improvement in little time 
Here are your first and second statements about Mizzle.
Can you spot the diference? the first one insults and does not belong here, the second one expresses YOUR personal opinion and belongs to a decent forum like this one. Good job!
...Mizzle doesn't know squat about when this firmware is coming out or what it's going to include PERIOD! If he does, he feels too high and mighty to share any REAL information with the rest of us lay-men...
...Mizzle has claimed to have inside information on when/what firmware is going to be released and he has failed to deliver (on multiple occasions). I mean if we're playing odds here, I wouldn't bet on his word being good for more than 1 in 10... I can flip a coin with better luck than that. ...
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-12 05:18 ] |
Tervel
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
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You know you bring up an interesting point - I think that SE got themselves in a tight spot when they Branded the phone CyberShot. THere is a certain level of performance that goes along with that branding. If the phone does not perform as well as the current CyberShot Cameras (and I don't mean resolution - that is a stated numerical value) then there might be a case against SE for false or deceptive advertising practices.
Edit: Tonchy - bottom line is the same - Mizzle expressed himself like someone who is above us and for that I dislike him. Not his person, but the online persona he puts forth. We can all put our 'online faces' just like in poker, we can get called on our bluff. All I see is a bluff from him, and one that is presented in a way that makes me dislike him. I stand behind both of my statements and I still don't see how you think I'm insulting him. I'm expressing my opinion in both statements.
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tonchy
Joined: Jan 19, 2006
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From: Bolivia
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@Tervel and Prom1
I am also very tired of waiting for the new FW but can you really sue a cellphone company for having bugs in their FW?
i mean it is impossible no matter how much beta testing is done to come out with a flawless device won't you think?
same in any industry.
edit: @tervel - to me there is a difference between both statements (no "I" in the first one) anyways it is a subtle one and if you can't seeit, it does not matter. I was just expressing my regrets about the flaming caused not so much by your statements but mainly by the ones from dupet and bobbins.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2008-02-12 06:23:17, tonchy wrote:
@Tervel and Prom1
I am also very tired of waiting for the new FW but can you really sue a cellphone company for having bugs in their FW?
i mean it is impossible no matter how much beta testing is done to come out with a flawless device won't you think?
same in any industry.
edit: @tervel - to me there is a difference between both statements (no "I" in the first one) anyways it is a subtle one and if you can't seeit, it does not matter. I was just expressing my regrets about the flaming caused not so much by your statements but mainly by the ones from dupet and bobbins.
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-12 05:34 ]
You cannot sue a cellphone company for having buggy firmware. You need to carefully READ my post, not selectively "skim" like kids selectively listen to their parents - no insult intended just something my kids do to me daily hehe. However, you CAN sue a cellphone company that continues to either ignore, untimely releases of firmware updates - IF YOU can prove updates are untimely, not effective in fixing bug fixes or even not fixing several (especially those that are in line with what is advertised - like the HPM-82 being a compatible) then you will have a case. Heck you can sue a provider for mass breaching of contracts. Selling a product to a consumer on a mass production - that doesn't perform as advertised nor compatible with accessories advertised as compatible - is false advertisement. Now a company CAN try to elleviate issues unforseen, thats why I mentioned that you need to check other SE products and how consistently their firmwares are updated compared to the K850i before even beginning to tabulate a case to a lawyer.
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lun4r
Joined: Jan 15, 2008
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things are started to get hot...
even stating about a lawsuit and a lawyer
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tonchy
Joined: Jan 19, 2006
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From: Bolivia
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My question is how many of this bugs are really documented bugs and by that i mean bugs that affect 100% of the handsets all the time, i can hardly think of any. The bugs seem to appear on certain handsets within certain FWs and intermitently.
SE limited warranty can then be claimed if it is proven that you have a defective device and i think that is how SE will handle the different cases since no single bug is on 100% of their devices.
I think there are huge differences between devices depending not only on the FW they are running but the batch they were made in and the origin.
Plus where does SE promises its customers to deliver new FW updates? is it oficially written somewhere so that we can use it on our favor? AFAIK i don't think so. SE does it because they "somewhat" care about customer satisfaction, their image and their market share. You cannot demand updates based on how often they update other product either since obviously some are less buggy than others, and some updates are not necessarily bug fixers but improvents in performance.
would an internet thread like this one count as prove of oficial bugs in a device? my point is if let's say 10 ppl have the zoom/volume bug then SE limited warranty would come into play and SE will replace those phones and be done with it.
I think SE got their arses covered.
Anyway back into the topic of the new FW. i have information that this new FW will have Mobile TV support, the app will be under the media manager menu like it has been spotted somewhere. (nice touch isn't it?)
I am also keeping my fingers crossed that it will have some camera functions from the recently released phones such as facefinder from the C series or point to focus (touch focus) from the G series. what do you think?
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naveensiva
Joined: May 21, 2006
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Forget the class suit...
Get this thread to digg.com and other social bookmarking site..now is the time..the released xperia and whole world is seeing se..
I am from operamini ..i cant bookmark...please some one do it for sake of all...
And post thelink
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mark187
Joined: Nov 17, 2007
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From: UK
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On 2008-02-12 10:23:29, naveensiva wrote:
Forget the class suit...
Get this thread to digg.com and other social bookmarking site..now is the time..the released xperia and whole world is seeing se..
I am from operamini ..i cant bookmark...please some one do it for sake of all...
And post thelink
Digg users don't want to read 210 pages of bitching and drivel. |
vortigern
Joined: Dec 10, 2007
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sueing people etc never did squat.... people who do that are just the modern day equivalent of trade unions - stifling progress and costing billions.
If the device was really buggy then they'd lose the reputation and so the company would lose value- so it's not in their interest.
The phone has a couple of issues that'll be fixed soon, they say, so they ain't ignoring it, they're getting on with it. Just not as fast as we'd like!
Lawsuits and the like just add to the cost of the phone and mean that features that they might have added are left off in case it doesn't work right and they get sued.
ie. saying that you'll start a lawsuit on them 'cos the GrEq doesn't work right.. they can just remove it - if it ain't there, it can't not work!
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KopStar
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
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From: London, UK
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This is now a joke... It seems obvious that SE are not interested in sorting out the A200 series handsets; it would have been soo much better if they had stuck to the tried and tested A100 plaform until A200 was mature enough...
I'm having my phone replaced (cos' I broke it), then it's going on eBay and I'm getting a N81 instead, then when my contract is up, I'll be getting the Nokia N96...
Not seen anything from MWC from SE that inspires me...
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fullforce
Joined: Oct 12, 2005
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Just went off the phone with SE customer(we don't)care center and they told me that the firmware are to be out this week and that they hadn't heard of any delays and yadayada blablablaaa. So we will see.
I also tried to pull some info abut new features but i got brickwalled.
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Ricky D
Joined: Feb 05, 2007
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I'm sure why but of the handful of threads I regularly visit on here this one is the only one that so amazingly negative about  . I own a K850. I'm not impressed with the firmware but isn't it obvious that they've been spending a lot of time and money on the development and launch of the X1 and the other new phones? I can see exactly why this firmware has been delayed and that's because the X1 is a superb piece of design and engineering on it's own. I think that phone is one of the best I've ever seen. If sex had brushed metal buttons and a touch screeen.... Anyway, to me it is clear that the K850 was a stop gap between the old SE and the new SE. I'm sorry but in all industries and all companies they'll occasionally throw you a lemon. It happens and it is the necessary evil in progression. Unfortunately for us, we bought it.
I'm sure will release the firmware and I'm certain it won't be long away. Be patient. Stop moaning. Get laid. We all know the problems, we're all a little disappointed, but at the end of the day it's a f...... phone.
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Posted: 2008-02-12 03:05
K750|Z500|Z520|K700|K790i|K850i, :Ericsson: T18z|T28World|T36m x3|T68m (Ericsson, not the rebranded 
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