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mario2002
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The 6680/9500 can't mach the 'slightly outdated' p910? You must be joking.Either that or you are a SE fanatic.I love Motorolas (after using Samsungs and a P800 I am still back to my very old blokia which I misuse on a daily basis) SE are falling back and they will post a bad 2-nd quarter.Go thru my dec. postings and you will see I was pretty accurate with my prediction of the bad first quarter.The buggy k750i does't help their cause neither ! O2 stopped selling it altogether.
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sapporobaby
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This biz is cyclic. What was hot today is cold tomorrow. How many Communicators did Nokia sell verses the Pxx series? SE is late, and slow in bringing new Pxx models to the market, however once they come, they too will be positive sellers. It is a fact of the Market. Second, Motorola has a following in the US mainly because US customers are quite ignorant when it comes to cell phones and GSM/3G technologies all together. Just read an article about how "text" messaging is really catching fire in the US. What a laugh. Europe and the rest of the world has been there and done that for YEARS.
Not to mention ringing tones. Hot thing now in the US?
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Jolitorax
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On 2005-06-16 00:44:43, sapporobaby wrote:
Why cry about EDGE when 3G is faster?
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EDGE is an additional service based on "old" GSM technology, and will have the same geographical availability as ordinary GSM. 3G is a completely new network which only will be available in areas with lots of people. So you can expect to find 3G-services only in cities, no 3G in the countryside. EDGE will be available everywhere. At least this is the policy of the leading norwegian network provider Telenor.
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On 2005-06-16 14:01:33, Jolitorax wrote:
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On 2005-06-16 00:44:43, sapporobaby wrote:
Why cry about EDGE when 3G is faster?
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EDGE is an additional service based on "old" GSM technology, and will have the same geographical availability as ordinary GSM. 3G is a completely new network which only will be available in areas with lots of people. So you can expect to find 3G-services only in cities, no 3G in the countryside. EDGE will be available everywhere. At least this is the policy of the leading norwegian network provider Telenor.
Then, of course it would be an advantage if SE phones had EDGE, to enable highspeed datatransmission all over.
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Oh I understand, but with this comes developing additional products which add cost. As 3G is going to be the defacto standard, SE decided to look to the future as opposed to dwell in the present. In Finland and Germany, you can find 3G almost everywhere. I just with Sonera would get the video calls working.
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mario2002
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Here in South Africa it looks like the Norwegian company is right.Edge is only supported by one company but is widely available whereas 3G is only ment/available for the high density areas (cities)
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S4k1s
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@mario2002: Have you used a Nokia 9500 Communicator? Or Carried it with u for daily use? I tried but couldn't stand it. The phone is a joke. |
mario2002
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Yes I have played with one for a few minutes but did not carry it around.It is about 10% or so bigger/heavier than the P910i which itself is not small.I guess that is the price to pay if you want/need all that extra features.Anyway my reply referred to the suggestion - no nokia has more features then the P910i.
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darky
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there is no need to flanme people 
I am currently a sony ericsson user I like the phone sure the camera is good for camera phones but I have a 8 mp sony f828 which is one of the best prosumer cameras out there,
I am not complaining aout the phones just stating the obvious, if I wanted to buy a nokia I would but I chose S.E.
it's just this worship, we will jump off of a cliff with S.E. talk that drives me nuts, don't accept everything you get it isn't about Nokia or Sony or any other company it's about us the consumers, we have a right to point out what's good and what's bad and what we want as we will be buying and using the phones,
for example one small detail, the video goes from fullscreen back to small everytime a new video starts, this has nothign to do with hardware it's software they can easily set that up why not listen to the 1000's of people who want that (maybe it will come in a future update) this is an extra an enhancment of the phone something the stupid designers and testers didn't think about,
but a new phone that keeps freezing and restarting every hour, is it too much to ask that at least the phone works ?
and you keep talking about the price I would gladly pay 200$ hell even 300$ more for a symbian / non crashing k750, in my eyes (even though the build could be better) it would be the perfect phone I could use for 2+ years.
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On 2005-06-16 14:04:08, sapporobaby wrote:
Oh I understand, but with this comes developing additional products which add cost. As 3G is going to be the defacto standard, SE decided to look to the future as opposed to dwell in the present. In Finland and Germany, you can find 3G almost everywhere. I just with Sonera would get the video calls working.
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They have EDGE in the W600a, so they should/could put it in the S600 too. It seems they already have the technology to fit EDGE in a W600a "shell/casing" so why not just put it in a S600 anyway?  What a waste, SE should realize that EDGE is not only for the Americas... 
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Look at it this way, say there are two K750i, one with EDGE and the other without. Which one would you prefer? The one with EDGE and has higher upload/download speeds or would you want the normal one with only GPRS speeds?
3G is TOTALLY out of the picture since the K750i is a GSM phone. We are talking about GSM. If I'd want 3G, I'd get the excellent V800 for that. If you say that SE is looking to the future, that is 3G, then why not stop making regular GSM phones completely and just go 3G?
It seems SE is deliberately not putting EDGE in their GSM phones that are sold outside the Americas... What gives? To me, that is the ONLY disappointing aspect of SE... I don't care about their naming conventions and what not... They could name their phone "Winnie the Pooh" for all I care, if its good, I'll buy it ! 
Take for example the S700. Look what they did, they put in EDGE and called it the S710a and sold it only in the Americas? Why? Couldn't they just create two versions, a GSM 900/1800/1900 version and a GSM 850/1899/1900 version, BOTH with EDGE capability? I don't see this adding cost?
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mustafabay
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Although S710 didn't have the radio. But now I see S600 doesn't have EDGE I'm slightly dissapointed. W600i had better have it though and we'd better get a W600i. |
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Yeah, you see what I mean? Surely it will cost less to produce two identical phones (S700i and S700a, both with EDGE & different bands) instead of making a S700i, then to remove the radio function from the circuit and add EDGE and call it S710a instead?  ...
You think there will be a W600i? I surely hope so, but highly doubt it myself... 
I see the same thing happening with the S700i / S710a situation...
IMHO  I think SE are not getting worse, they just need to patch a few things here and there. They are not bad, just that they have room for improvement, that's all.
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dave_uk
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Nothing like an anti-:se: thread to spark debate on a  forum - surprise 
As far as I can see, this is a few old discussions rehashed and grouped together, based on a post from someone who clearly has difficulty understanding that describing 's backwards-naming of handsets as "disgraceful" is...a little OTT at best.
SonyEricsson reign supreme and always will on a forum specifically designated to one manufacturer. All the familiar haters should really have grasped this by now.
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jayson
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On 2005-06-15 20:58:01, cyberkid wrote:
IMHO, SE is getting worse in their mobile phone market..
1. Products are not well designed, take K600, S600 and W600 as examples. The S series r declined to Japan designs..Those SO series.
2. Announced new products in a not very systematic time intervals (Announced the S600, W600 after the K750 is being announced; Holding the W800 market which is no difference with K750). Lack of marketing strategies!
3. SE ignores the EDGE technology. I don't know why they always overlook EDGE which will not hurt by having it in their phones.
4. No news about the Smartphone series - PXXX... Dead?
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1: K600 is not well designed? W600 ugly? maybe u should buy a Moto or a Nokia ... Cuz those phones are really well designed ..
2: If you look @ when SE is announcing phones .. it's april/june/september ... pretty systematic I belive.
K750 and S600 do not target same group of people. That and holding off W800 from the market is called ... guess what .. Marketing strategies!
3: Don't be ignorant, or maybe u missed it, but S/W600 got EDGE... K750 is not targeting a EDGE market, W600 is ...
4: September they say ... Who knows, maybe we get to se 2 smartphones...
Nokia got lots of smartphones but none that can match the P-series. There isn't really that much u can do with a Nokia smartphone that u can't do with a K750.
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sorry...what was that..? there isn't really that much you can't do with a nokiasmartphone that you can't do with a k750i?...that must be the dumbest statement ever made...i own both the k750i and the 6630/6680 and the difference is pretty obvious...is the k750i 3G and edge? no....does it support real media or avi? no...can it download anything apart from java? no...is it stereo? no...and it isn't symbian based....so there's alot of no's there isn't it...as for the p9/10i...it doesn't do anything the 6630/80 doesn't do...and don't say pim management...both of the above handsets manage pim well...the p9/10i are great smartphones, without a doubt..i sell about 5 every month..but they are getting a little long in the tooth... |
wrecked_porsche
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I don't think naming can be described as getting worse... Like I said, they could call their phones "Winnie the Pooh" or "Sun Burnt Bloated Penguin" or "Slimy Sticky Icky Fungus" for all I care, its whats on the inside is what that counts !
Sure hope they bring out a W600i ...
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