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Can k750i be upgraded with firmware to W800i? |
Cyberz
Joined: May 31, 2005
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w800 has a better media player.
and u can use w800 software in k750i
talked to a guy who is testing the software in k750i |
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sapporobaby
Joined: Sep 14, 2003
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From: Finland. Kuwait maybe :)
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On 2005-06-06 09:23:44, freddyen wrote:
why he wants to update hes K750 with the w800!?!?
becuase he can!  aint that the basics of Sony Ericsson users!?
why do we need to have a car we can control with bluetooth or why do we need a laserpointer we can attach to our phone!? because we can! 
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I thought his reason was because he is cheap.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
N82(YES), iPhone 3G, Shure es530, Nikon D300, more stuff. No more SE stuff, why am I still here? |
AngryTino
Joined: Feb 25, 2005
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On 2005-06-06 10:52:21, sapporobaby wrote:
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On 2005-06-06 09:23:44, freddyen wrote:
why he wants to update hes K750 with the w800!?!?
becuase he can! aint that the basics of Sony Ericsson users!?
why do we need to have a car we can control with bluetooth or why do we need a laserpointer we can attach to our phone!? because we can!
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I thought his reason was because he is cheap.
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is there something wrong with wanting to save some money...everyone ain't as rich as you might be |
sapporobaby
Joined: Sep 14, 2003
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From: Finland. Kuwait maybe :)
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Got me wrong mate. I am not rich. Sometimes, sometimes in the end it might be better to just buy the one you want rather than settle. I am speaking from EXPERIENCE.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
N82(YES), iPhone 3G, Shure es530, Nikon D300, more stuff. No more SE stuff, why am I still here? |
brandnew
Joined: Jul 04, 2005
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Hi, I'm new here..and was planning to buy a new cellphone (after 3/4 years using my nokia 3310 hehe) and this SE's seems to be very nice, but I have some questions:
1: Are the k750i and w800i perfectly identical to each other? (even the battery and the phone's power consumption?)
So what is the point of SE???
I mean SE should know k750i users can just flash their cellphone to w800i, so they can enjoy the Flightmode too..
2: Does the k750i have crappy keys? I heard they 'creak' when pressing them or something, what is the keypad like? A tiny review of this someone?
3: Isn't the lens cover pretty fragile? I assume if you need to drag it open/close all the time it will break loose?
Thanks! |
numb
Joined: Feb 07, 2005
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On 2005-07-04 02:15:19, brandnew wrote:
Hi, I'm new here..and was planning to buy a new cellphone (after 3/4 years using my nokia 3310 hehe) and this SE's seems to be very nice, but I have some questions:
1: Are the k750i and w800i perfectly identical to each other? (even the battery and the phone's power consumption?)
So what is the point of SE???
I mean SE should know k750i users can just flash their cellphone to w800i, so they can enjoy the Flightmode too..
2: Does the k750i have crappy keys? I heard they 'creak' when pressing them or something, what is the keypad like? A tiny review of this someone?
3: Isn't the lens cover pretty fragile? I assume if you need to drag it open/close all the time it will break loose?
Thanks!
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1. Yes they are identical, no users cannot just flash the software from W800 to the K750, its technically possible yes, but 1. you will lose your warranty by doing so, if the phone needs to be repaired and you cannot flash back to k750 firmware, you will not be able to get it repaired under warranty. 2. you will no longer be able to update via SEUS but have to keep buying updates from unauthorized firmwareflashers. 3. you may never be able to update to a newer firmware because the unauthorized firmwareflashers may not be able to keep getting hold of new w800 firmwares. I fully agree with sapporobaby, if you want a w800, its best to buy a w800, considering the bigger memorycard and better headset, the cost of the phone itself isnt that different from the K750.
2. The keypad is very nice, it doesnt creak at all, keys feel very firm and nice to press. Not to soft, not to hard, just perfect. Way better keypad than K700 for instance.
3. The lens cover is not fragile at all, its thin yes, but made of very strong material, it will not break loose.
[ This Message was edited by: numb on 2005-07-04 06:43 ] |
brandnew
Joined: Jul 04, 2005
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thanks! now i'm probably going to buy the k750i
and if i wait like for a couple of months there probably will be a better w800i firmware, so i can use the flight mode anyway..why not? i'm going to use the mp3player most of the time, and a battery life of 30hours is prette awesome
but is there a chance, SE will release a firmware for the k750i with Flight mode enabled? that would be great too..
and btw how can i flash my firmware, just with the usbcable that is included? right? or do i have to buy it seperately?
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Arne Anka
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On 2005-07-04 07:37:40, numb wrote:
you will lose your warranty by doing so, if the phone needs to be repaired and you cannot flash back to k750 firmware, you will not be able to get it repaired under warranty.
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That entirely depends on where you live and where you have bought your phone. Only time this may be entirely true is if you live in one contry, but have bought your phone in another country. |
numb
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I'd disagree Arne
Im pretty sure that any unauthorized flashing of nonstandard firmware will void warranty in any country regardless if you bought it in the same country or not.
The phone is flashed with a firmware not designed for this phone, and the phone is flashed with a firmware that has been illegally obtained by nonauthorized flashers, and is flashed by unauthorized people.
Thats a pretty strong case for S//E to deny to repair under warranty.
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Arne Anka
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numb,
SE can say what they want. But at the end it is the local law in the country that you live and have bought the phone that regulates the validity of the warrenty and there is definitely a variance there.
Its pretty much like saying, a person is not allowed to install any other OS or software on a PC than the manufacturers choice for the warrenty to be valid. At least I have not heard about such claim.
I know however that SE will do whatever it is in their power to stop this kind of reflashing and try to claim the warrenty is not valid. But at least here in Sweden, customers have pretty strong protection by law when it comes to warrenty.
My suggestion is simply, before you flash W800 SW on K750. Check with your local authority what is valid in your country.
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Aurial
Joined: Jul 04, 2005
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From: Warwickshire, UK
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Why are you all going so mad about the Flight Mode? Its a complete waste of time! Regardless of how much you might try to convince your Air Steward or Hospital Nurse they're not going to let you use your phone on a plane / in a hospital anyway because its simply not worth the risk of what you're saying not being true.
And if you think that its going to save your battery when you want to listen to your music on the train or whatever it's actually not going to make that much of a difference. I charged my K750i about two days ago now and I've only used it with its radio features (e.g. making calls, sending texts, using GPRS), and the battery is still at 74%. How much difference do you think having radio on is going to make to your battery when you use it for listening to music? It's clear by the standby time that the communications between the phone and the network don't exactly use up that much power anyway do they?
I used to have a few of the SPV phones, and they all had the Radio Off / Flight Mode function and it was useless. It probably seems like a nice idea on paper, but like I said, no one believes you when you tell them when you're on a flight. The rule is "No mobile phones...period." And besides. you might as well just buy a walkman/iPod. Because by switching your Radio off thats exactly what the phone becomes at the end of the day isn't it? Seems a little silly to me to buy a phone and then miss all your calls and texts because you want to use it as a walkman. |
brandnew
Joined: Jul 04, 2005
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@Aurial, you've got a point there about the missing calls and stuff..
but actually it doesn't really matter to me, when i'm expecting a call, i just turn the phone on..
and the battery life i can save is actually pretty nice (15hours is maybe exaggerated, but it will certainly be 8 hours or something) .. for example when your on vacation and don't have time to charge your phone or you just forget it..
also when biking to school in the morning i can just use the 'walkman' function instead of turning on the whole phone.. |
numb
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#Arne
I hear what you are saying and we have the same user protection laws in Denmark as you do in Sweden, but i still beleive theres a big difference between installing an OS on a computer, and flashing firmware on a phone. When you buy a computer you buy the hardware, and the OS separately, they have no connection.
When you buy a phone where the OS is an onboard hardcoded firmware, its part of the phone, just like the hardware the phone is build of. Flashing it with a different firmware thats maybe not designed specifically for the hardware, has the same effect as opening the phone and changing the cpu. Both are operative changes to the product and both will void the warranty. Theoretically flashing with a firmware not designed specifically for this phone, could damage hardware, it could burn off cirquits, if the hardware that this firmware is intended for is somehow different. Like overclocking your cpu in the computer using overclocking software could toast the cpu or other parts of the motherboard. This would also void warranty.
Warranty in legal terms of any country, specifically dictates that you are not allowed to make any operative changes to the product.
If you buy a Volvo, and burn the engine because you add a turbo yourself, or change the software in the computer controlling the engine, that would also void warranty if the engine dies.
Im pretty sure no court in Sweden would say you are still under warranty if you toast a phone because you yourself has installed unauthorised firmware not designed for the phone.
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brandnew
Joined: Jul 04, 2005
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haha wtf, i have been looking on the web for flashing the k750i to w800i and it seems it even costs money :s
isn't there any free way to do it, i'm not the person who buys a new phone every month :s my nokia 3310 has lasted me 4 years haha
damn, this sucks! flight mode would have been nice  |
gr3gg0
Joined: Jun 03, 2005
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From: Toronto, Canada
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dude its like...20 bucks |
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Posted: 2005-06-06 10:41
