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What's the big deal about the Garbage Forum? |
scotsboyuk
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@kimcheeboi
I am not saying that we shouldn't have the odd silly thread, they can be rather fun, however, the problem, in my opinion, is with those threads that don't actually go anywhere. Some threads just seem to coast along with no coherent purpose, sensible or silly, they just attract random posts that are neither funny or interesting.
I seem to detect a defensive air amongst those members who make regular contributions to the Rubbish Forum, but I don't think this comes down to a case of anyone trying to limit anyone else's fun. Now I know I am probably going to attract suggestions of being an old codger or even elitism with my next comment, but I believe it to be true and I know many others share this point of view; Esato was better when the Rubbish Forum didn't appear to be the central pillar, around which the rest of Esato revolved.
I don't see much of a difference betwene the Mobile Free and Rubbish forums, they both contain general chatter and humorous offerings; why have two forums to do similar jobs?
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kimcheeboi
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i'm curious as to what you mean byu 'coast along with no purpose'--care to post some examples?
And how is the Garbage Forum the central pillar of esato? Is esato so well-known for having a big garbage forum or is it rather known as a  resource? The point is that the garbage forums are a great place to socialize and they add to the social atmosphere of esato; i don't see the need to 'crack down' on garbage posts that are relatively humourous and interesting, even if they seem like they have no point. After all, is Garbage supposed to have a point? 
And one of the big issues i tried to bring up was the threat of bans for posting too much garbage. I don't know whether this is just the result of members being paranoid, but if they're not, aren't such measures quite excessive an unnecessary? I don't recall when posting in the Garbage Forums was against the forum rules?
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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-11-10 02:46:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
i'm curious as to what you mean byu 'coast along with no purpose'--care to post some examples?
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Not particuarly, I can't be bothered searching through to find any. 
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And how is the Garbage Forum the central pillar of esato?
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I didn't say it was, I said that it appeared to be, which is correct with respect to some members.
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The point is that the garbage forums are a great place to socialize and they add to the social atmosphere of esato; i don't see the need to 'crack down' on garbage posts that are relatively humourous and interesting, even if they seem like they have no point.
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I agree with you, as I said I am very much in favour of humorous and interesting threads.
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And one of the big issues i tried to bring up was the threat of bans for posting too much garbage.
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So it was a moderator who 'warned' you then?
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I don't recall when posting in the Garbage Forums was against the forum rules?
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I don't think anyone has said it was; masseur has suggested limiting the number of nonsense threads, not banning the Rubbish Forum altogether.
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Sammy_boy
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I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war.
It'll get moved to the 'garbage' threads! 
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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scotsboyuk
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@Sammy_boy
Very droll. It is good that we can debate these issues though, the last time something like this came up I don't think it was taken seriously enough. It's good to see people taking an interest, whatever their opinion is.
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lor
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All I want is the jokes thread in the garbage area |
kimcheeboi
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I didn't say it was, I said that it appeared to be, which is correct with respect to some members.
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More specfically--more like me, meths, and @JN? I can't speak for my fellow garbagers but I can definitely say that I post garbage just for the fun of it. Why should i have to participate in cell phone discussions if i'm not interested? That would result in the type of 'passing' posts that masseur said he didn't like.
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So it was a moderator who 'warned' you then?
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I won't go into details, but i was warned indirectly by a moderator.
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I agree with you, as I said I am very much in favour of humorous and interesting threads.
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But what's a humorous and interesting thread? We all have different senses of humor and different interests. We then create contention where there was none before by locking certain threads -- and surely people will start complaining that a mod locked their thread and didn't lock another thread.
Garbage has not affected the growth of esato (in some cases attracted people to esato), provides a community spirit for esato, it's kept well-moderated, and its a everyday part of esato. I don't understand why people would want to limit what garbage is posted and not; we can't just live off of cell phone discussion.
In my opinion, the real garbage posts are the bigger problem. People who hijack a thread, threads that go off topic and become totally irrelevant, posts like "adgiagduwg", flame posts, etc. Wouldn't these kinds of posts actually detract from the quality of esato and turn new members off from posting? The garbage section has a section of its own; its more like our own private little room where the rest of esato isn't really affected by what we do.
And @scots you're missing my point. One of the main complaints I had was the threat of a ban because I posted too much garbage. As I said, it might just be a minsunderstanding, but I don't recall the last time garbage posting (even in excessive amounts) actually was a major problem for esato and was against the forum rules.
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Jake Blues
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i dont spend a lot of time in the accessories forum because a lot of it doesnt interest me. i go to garbage/mobile free because there are things that interest me there. if you dont like dont go there.
its the same as these people who only watch a tv programme so they can complain about it. (not speaking to anyone direct there!)
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methylated_spirit
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Just look at scotsboys "on the couch" thread. Almost everyone he interviews states that esato is doing well, its a good mix of phone technology and humour, that its a really great forum. Why tinker with it? Because thats all it is, tinkering, playing around with a small, unimportant area. This kind of tinkering usually has adverse effects.
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masseur
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I just noticed the following in hte opening thread
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On 2004-11-09 11:13:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
And I mean crackdown as i've heard rumors of bans hanging above peoples' heads and threats to shut down all but a few Garbage threads!
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and I can tell you that is totally unfounded and I don't believe any moderator would have said that any member would be banned for posting in garbage threads
I really don't know what all this fuss is about anyway. Its seems members want the right to post any old crap in garbage just because its called garbage and that seems a strange thing to be fighting for when there are plenty of good threads going on for fun
anyway, I haven't seen any threads since late last week that I would want to close prematurely so perhaps this is all a non event anyway 
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Vlammetje
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On 2004-11-09 11:13:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
Lately I've been recieving pressure to stop posting in the Garbage Forums, and others have too!
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I stopped reading this thread after the first post.... getting a bit of a déja vu here. Suggesting a lot but not saying anything really. 'Receiving pressure' eh? Well if it's not mod pressure it can be discarded I would guess.
Although mods have been known to implement posting policies and not share them with the public before.... (What were they thinking?  ) I think it's safe to say that unless they tell you not to post garbage you can just go ahead.
I doubt the rest of the thread provides any interesting reading so I'll just leave it at that.
Fuss over nothing I think.
I do wonder why you didn't just PM a mod and ask instead of starting a big all suggestive thread about 'pressure' and underground movements against garbage (free interpretation of your 1st post... gotta be careful what you write and how) and so on and so forth.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-11-10 06:31:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
In my opinion, the real garbage posts are the bigger problem. People who hijack a thread, threads that go off topic and become totally irrelevant, posts like "adgiagduwg", flame posts, etc. Wouldn't these kinds of posts actually detract from the quality of esato and turn new members off from posting?
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And @scots you're missing my point. One of the main complaints I had was the threat of a ban because I posted too much garbage. As I said, it might just be a minsunderstanding, but I don't recall the last time garbage posting (even in excessive amounts) actually was a major problem for esato and was against the forum rules.
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I think we are actually more in agreement than either of us realised. I don't think that members creating threads to have a spot of fun is a bad thing, quite the opposite in fcat. I also realise that one person's idea of funny is not another's, so some threads are going to seem boring to some members, but I don't believe that this is the real problem.
I completely agree with kim in his assessment of what constitutes a 'real' rubbish post i.e. threadjacking, flaming (I suppose neither of us should be lecturing others on that one ) and threads going off topic. I would like to add something to this definition though; political/religious threads. There is nothing wrong with members debating the issues of the day, but I for one am fed up of seeing threads that have degenerated into petty squabbling and different members trying to enforce their opinions on others.
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dave_uk
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I would like to be utterly hypocritical (certain threads which shall remain nameless bear testimony to this!) and totally agree with scotty re the political/religious threads - I think the route of this problem is too many ignorant posts on subjects where opinionated ignorance really has no place (it's a bit too serious for that), and though there is clearly no harm in healthy debate, some of what these threads degenerate too is quite disgraceful.
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masseur
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political and religous threads certainly are difficult ones to watch over, particularly when I have no political and very little religious convictions myself. I tend to prefer to leave these threads to another moderator such as tranquil, or take advice from a member or occassionally take advice from a member or two via PM
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Vlammetje
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well i personally think that if a thread gets 'taken over' by somebody's political agenda it should be dealt with, plain and simply.
I wonder why you guess never split a thread and let the discussion go on elswehere?
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Posted: 2004-11-10 02:35
