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What's the big deal about the Garbage Forum? |
kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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From: Abducted by hot blondes to Les
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Lately I've been recieving pressure to stop posting in the Garbage Forums, and others have too!
What is wrong with the Garbage Forums? It's not like we're trying to raise our postcount, because Garbage posts dont count; we're not trying to ruin the cellphone atmoshpere of esato; we're not trying to do anything bad; and i've never had any pm's from anyone complaining about my garbage posts. In fact, the things i hear about my posts are that people enjoy them cause it gives them a break from the tedium of cell phones.
There was certainly tons of garbage being posted since esato started, why the crackdwon now?
And I mean crackdown as i've heard rumors of bans hanging above peoples' heads and threats to shut down all but a few Garbage threads!
what are your thoughts, people?
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Krubach
Joined: Dec 05, 2002
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From: Sunny Portugal! :)
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I think you're getting in a dangerous position by going public with this.
You say "i've been receiving pressure" and you don't say who was it. Anyway it's a lose-lose situation.
If you don't say who was it, you're implicitly letting people thinking that it was the mods.
If you say who it was, you're revealing private conversations with a possible diplomatic approach which i think, shouldn't be revealed (i say diplomatic, because you say "pressure" and not "threats").
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kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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From: Abducted by hot blondes to Les
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i know what you mean, but its just that ive been talking with other members and they've warned me not to post garbage for the before-mentioned reasons.
I guess i just want to know WHY? 
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Sammy_boy
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
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From: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
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It could be a server space or bandwidth issue maybe?
I have to admit quite a few of my recent posts (although I haven't been posting too much lately due to being busy!  ) have been in the garbage/mobile phone free zone myself! Perhaps all the garbage posting is costing Esato/Laffen money?
Just speculation, of course!
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masseur
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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From: Sydney, London
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my opinion is that there is just toooo much garbage going on and often there is more posting there than in mobile forums. There is not a sudden crackdown. This is a subject I have always felt strongly about and I did a big crackdown some months ago as some members will recall
I also notice a group of people who seem only to come to esato now to post in the garbage and mobile phone free forums and a few throw-away comments in a couple of mobile forums. Surely there are plenty of other chit chat forums where people can go for this
in a community such as Esato its nice to get away from the serious discussions of mobile phones from time to time but the nonesense threads that have been going on lately are just, well, nonesense.
I get the feeling people just sit there thinking up stuff so that they can make a garbage thread and personally I don't like it
I don't want to speak for tranquil now but last week when I expressed my thoughts on this subject he was in agreement and I planned to have a big garbage collection at the weekend but unfortunately something else came up so I only had a little time to start locking a few threads
In future I propose to lock threads more rather than moving them to garbage and letting them go crazy, if only so that garbage doesn't take over esato so much and we can present a more, I dunno, professional and serious appearance as a mobile phone forum where frivolity and such take a smaller part in the daily goings on.
I can say that I do let garbage go on more at the weekends when people are supposed to chill and relax but during the week I would like to see alot less of it
This is only my thoughts and the other moderators may have their own but I'll be interested to hear more opinions about this and I'm happy to be guided somewhat by those opinions
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blackspot
Joined: Sep 06, 2004
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From: Philippines
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Well, since we meet more often in the garbage forums, I'd like to react too. 
I don't see anything wrong in the Garbage Forum, it's pure amusement for me and a real stress reliever! I think it's perfect the way it is. Sometimes though I admit that it tends to get out of hand but other forums do too and that's practically the reason why there are moderators.
There's nothing we can do if the moderators decide to remove it but I believe it's going to be a bad idea, I mean where will you put all the garbage? Even a clean house needs a place for the garbage.
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Krubach
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From: Sunny Portugal! :)
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On 2004-11-09 11:25:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
I guess i just want to know WHY?
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The reason Sammy mentioned is valid, although i don't think its the main reason.
I think that "they" just want to avoid this forum to go out of track. This is mainly a cellphone forum. For people to post questions, and others help them out.
The garbage forum goes way out of that objective. And making it the main section is not a good thing to happen.
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As i was writing this, masseur posted his opinion.
I guess i was right. 
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masseur
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I can't imagine bandwidth or server space being the issue. If that was the case there would be restrictions on the images being uploaded to esato which presumably consume far more of both these valuable things
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kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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From: Abducted by hot blondes to Les
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But hasn't Garbage been an integral part of the esato forum atmosphere? I mean yeah, we're quite useless, but what's the point of restricting garbage posts to such an extent?
Is it that bad to have some fun on a mobile phone forum? There's plenty other forums out there, yes, but we will agree that there is only one esato. On top of that, all of those forums have their own nonsense sections, too!
I mean, if its costing laffen an extra 500 dollars a month to run, ok i see the point in cutting down on the Garbage forums. But garbage as always been present on esato (if you take little tour through the garbage section you will see  ) and it hasn't hampered esato's growth as far as i know of.
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I also notice a group of people who seem only to come to esato now to post in the garbage and mobile phone free forums. Surely there are plenty of other chit chat forums where people can go for this
in a community such as Esato its nice to get away from the serious discussions of mobile phones from time to time but the nonesense threads that have been going on lately are just, well, nonesense.
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But then what's the point of the Regional Forums? I can similarly say that i see users mostly post in the Regional sections (ie. 7wcsnurka, missuk, mkush, lost angle, etc.). The biggest threads on esato are threads with just general chit-chat, nothing really mobile-phone related!
Even vlammetje (another veteran) usually only posts in her themes thread and the UK users thread...
And what else are garbage threads than Garbage? At least its funny nonsense! 
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plasmadog
Joined: May 06, 2004
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From: Beantown, India
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true, but none of the garbage forums have the kind of posts that go on in the general chatrooms or the regional forums. and garbage forums i believe are only a small percentage of the total number of posts.
sometimes the general forums can be too tedious... and honestly, since this is an online community, people have interests other than just about mobile phones. the difference between esato and other forums is the fact that members have a common interest about mobile phones then move onto other topics.
its completely upto the mods to move/lock any thread that might seem dubious... i.e things like flaming each other or seemingly inane threads that have been started.
but, the garbage forums have been an integral part of esato, and i would love to see it that way.
kim... don't think u should succumb to the pressure. because what you post is your opinion, and no one can stop it...unless u are offending other members. which i personally think you are not (yet? ).
EDIT: kim posted it as i was typing...
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kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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From: Abducted by hot blondes to Les
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i'd also like to point out that quite a bit of my posts are helpful: they help people out with bt dongle driver issues, flashing fw, ebaying, bj'ing , GPRS settings here in the U.S., etc. etc.
I still do post of useful and serious posts.
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kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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From: Abducted by hot blondes to Les
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I also notice a group of people who seem only to come to esato now to post in the garbage and mobile phone free forums and a few throw-away comments in a couple of mobile forums.
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Also I'd like to point out that not all of us are cell phone experts--we may be geeks who love our gadgets but frankly we couldn't hold a dsicussion about the marketing strategy  is using by overpricing the s700 or what the difference is in the photoreceptor of cell phone cameras and resolution, etc. They may seem throwaway but i think there are quite a few posts that try to help.
For example, if someone posts asking for ringtones, i don't usually post a step-by-step guide to downloading ringers, i just post a site or link or something. It may seem throwaway, but its actually quite useful.
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In future I propose to lock threads more rather than moving them to garbage and letting them go crazy, if only so that garbage doesn't take over esato so much and we can present a more, I dunno, professional and serious appearance as a mobile phone forum where frivolity and such take a smaller part in the daily goings on.
I can say that I do let garbage go on more at the weekends when people are supposed to chill and relax but during the week I would like to see alot less of it
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Isn't esato considered the biggest resource in the world? How has Garbage affected that? Not much, I think.
And esato isn't a business, its a open forum. It shouldn't have to be absolutely dedicated to ; there's still a lot of room for enjoyment!
I mean, when's the last time anyone logged on to esato and thought of it as a business? Yes, it may require money to run and there are some adverts and 'buy your ringtone here' links on the home page, but it is essentially a forum.
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methylated_spirit
Joined: Jul 07, 2004
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From: Bonnie Scotland
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I have to say, im with kim on this one. almost every forum, on any subject, has a garbage, or general chit-chat forum. Why should esato be any different? It gives the members an opportunity to get to know one another, it has helped esato become a really friendly place with a terrific atmosphere. Look at the sitcom lookalikes thread, and the posting style impressions thread. very popular they were, everyone had a laugh. Its proof (to me, anyway) that esato has a strong sense of community, members know each other so well we can predict what they will say, who will reply in what thread, and, the general mood of someone. You just dont get that on other forums, not to the same extent. Yes there is a lot of junk, a LOT, but i would be wary of a "cull".
Why is it just garbage? Look at the thread for uk users...nothing useful is said there, but ive never, not once, seen any moderator presence there. That thread has a monstous amount of crap posted in it, far, far, more than garbage does. There are members who never peek outside of it, but they arent being talked about for not posting in mobile threads.
There is perhaps too much garbage, but it breaks the ice, it shows new members we can have a laugh as well as be phone geeks. Some people can only learn, or want to learn, so much about their phone. I think its a testament to Esato's spirit that a lot of people hang arounds after they have gotten the info they want, Even if some of it is garbage, at the end of the day, the more members the better.
Stop picking on the regular garbage posters, we love Esato too!
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Lembo
Joined: Mar 13, 2004
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From: East London
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I must admit on the 13 of March when I first wished to purchace a  I went to google that directed me to one of esato garabage threads.
And I'm still here today. 
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*Jojo*
Joined: Oct 15, 2003
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Every POST made here truly makes SENSE . . . But to just cut and make it SHORT . . . either The Garbage Thread or the Mobile Free Phone Zone Thread - just have to GO or be deleted - IMO ! But I guess it will JUST be impossible, as @laffen made the Blueprint of this website. Now, as long as these forums are available and OPEN, it will just be POSTED upon - unconsciously, perhaps I think 
Also, had there been some pre-requisites to become a member here (pre-registration), that you must be a celfone/PC/gadget geek/Einstein before entering this site . . probabilities are VERY high that only a handful will sign and be counted in . . .
I JUST cannot wait to SEE the effect of some plans when implemented - locking of threads in the Garbage Forum  Maybe it will minimize the posting, but then what . . .
I like what @blackspot said in his post, saying that : "Even a CLEAN house has it's GARBAGE too" !
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