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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-10-30 16:31:36, absinthebri wrote:
The war against Hitler was a legitimate war of defence against an aggressor. The Iraqi war is illegal and therefore their is no defence to any charges resulting from it.
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Very true, but that doesn't make killing any more legitimate, only more acceptable. These matters are very subjective, one man's hero is another's villain. Would Irish Republicans view the death of British soldiers in the same way as the families of those soldiers would? Do the Japanese see their troops who fought in WWII in the same light as Britons do?
If you look at the reposnse sof Iraqis, whether interviewed by Western or non-Western media, the majority are thankful to have Saddam gone and want Coalition troops to stay in Iraq to provide security whilst they rebuild. What I disagree with are the reasons for war, I am pleased that Saddam is gone, if the reason for going to war would have been to remove Saddam rather than WMD then I think there would perhaps be a lot more support for it.
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And I didn't claim ALL coalition troops committed murder - it was you who claimed none did.
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I did not. Read my previous posts, I say that I do not view all Coalition troops as murderers or as deliberately targeting civilians. You mentioned the term 'Coalition might', which insinuates the activity of more than single soldiers; it brings to mind images of overwhelming Coalition force and grand strategy deliberately targeting civilians in a deliberate attempt at killing as many as possible.
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eric_emeralds
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does anyone know how many british troops have been deployed to iraq since march 2003? |
scotsboyuk
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@eric_emeralds
Wasn't the original deployment around forty thousand (including support staff)? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there are currently around eight or nine thousand British troops in Iraq.
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richy240
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@scots
You bring up some interesting points, some of which I've been trying to convince my mother and others of for some time. I especially like your opinion that "military" murders being good or bad is a matter of perception. No one else seems to understand that.
What if Iraq were to invade the US to overthrow the Bush Administration... Not that they could, but what if. There would be just as many (if not more) "terrorist" attacks against the invading armies as there are in Iraq against the coalition. But people would rather ignore that and blame Iraqis for killing "innocent" coalition forces. It makes me sick.
Put the shoe on the other foot and it might suprise you.
EDIT: And I voted for Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate, and I feel very good about that. (http://badnarik.org/) I considered voting for Kerry, but I live in Texas (Bush's home state) so I knew my vote wouldn't count toward anything anyway.
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absinthebri
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richy, you note a relevant point - every occupation in history has been met with resistance. It's human nature.
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richy240
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absinthebri wrote:
every occupation in history has been met with resistance. It's human nature.
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Well, naturally. No one wants to be invaded.
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Ninjaturtle
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This pretty much tells us what the world think of the US election...
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kimcheeboi
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ELECTION IS TOMORROW!
im on the edge of my seat!
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Sammy_boy
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@ninja - very interesting link there - the comments are quite true!
Heard of a similar site - www.betavote.com which has very similar results!
It seems the only people that like Bush are the disproportionately powerful US religious right  
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Ninjaturtle
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More like disproportionately stupid.. hehe.
Betavote was interesting, 500000 voters and bush wins in 2 countries out of 150...
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kimcheeboi
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im not very fond of the religious right 
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k700nut
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@scotsboy;re your education query.i had a vacation in florida roughly 2yr ago,and a huge amount of the american residents were obese/ultra large wallers...imo this suggests,they have little or zero knowledge about diet,or they have severe genetic/health problems.secondly,have you ever seen the "usa" weakest link?if the contestants are typical american stamp,i need say no more!
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kimcheeboi
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@scotsboy;re your education query.i had a vacation in florida roughly 2yr ago,and a huge amount of the american residents were obese/ultra large wallers...
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we're a fat country, yeah
but most people aren't that fat. 
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imo this suggests,they have little or zero knowledge about diet,or they have severe genetic/health problems.
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It's not genetics, its diet problems. Too little exercise, too much stress, too much fat, etc. etc.
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scotsboyuk
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@k700nut
When you said education I thought you meant it in the sense of learning e.g. school, university, etc.
@richy240 and absin
Not every occupation; Ukranians ironicaly welcomed Nazi troops in 1941, thinking that they were finally free of Stalin. I suppose I am only partly correct, however, as there was significant resistance once the Nazis had begun their occupation.
Michael Moore was on a U.S. version of Question Time the other evening and he made a similar analogy to richy240's; France invading America to liberate them from the British; quite an interesting, not to mention ironic, analogy I thought.
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boto43
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hey,youve got something like the picture today
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