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eric_emeralds
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So, who is everyone voting for? I'm voting for John Kerry.
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absinthebri
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Is there any point in voting when you don't have a democratic system?
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riflogic
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As posted before me, is there really any point in voting when there is nothing "democratic" about the democratic elections held in the US.
By the way still go and vote and vot Bush out of the Whitehouse! |
plasmadog
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Eric, you reckon kerry'd win the election? Or will it come down to florida again?
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RichLok
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I voted for........... ME!  |
eric_emeralds
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it is democracy, just selective democracy. at least this way i can say i did my part to get that maniac out of office 
@plasmadog
i'm almost positive kerry will win. especially now that the FBI is investigating the no-bid contracts halliburton got in iraq. but there's always the chance OBL will show up halloween night  |
absinthebri
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Last election (2000) 47.9% of people voted for Bush. 48.4% voted for Gore. Bush "won". What sort of "democracy" is that?
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scotsboyuk
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@absinthebri
The same sort of democracy that exists in the UK apparently, since any one party only needs approximately 37% of the vote to gain a majority and therefore become the government.
Proportional representation would solve some of those issues.
The U.S. system means that there are some states that will almost certainly go to one or another candidate, hence it could be argued that voting for the other candidate is a waste of time.
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absinthebri
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Sure, in the UK a party can form a Government with about 36% of the vote but it's hard to imagine a two horse race where second place wins!
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scotsboyuk
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@absin
Good point, although if one is choosing between the Tories and Labour then it is more of a one horse race.
Interestingly though, who would non-Americans vote for? Personally I'm a Kerry man.
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eric_emeralds
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@all the brits
i haven't kept up to date on UK politics, is Tony Blair popular in the UK? when is the next election? please fill me in, as i'm sure this will be important to us Americans' "grand coalition" |
scotsboyuk
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@eric_emeralds
Blair isn't all that popular here, but he will probably win the next election, which is next year. The Iraq war has upset most of the population and I would imagine that that will cause Labour's majority to decrease quite a bit. The main opposition party probably won't benfit from many of those losses because they are also very unpopular It is likely that the third party, the Liberals, will increase their number of seats as will the smaller parties.
Who the Prime Minister is really won't have all that much effect on the US., that is unless the Liberals win the next election!
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k700nut
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Tony blair is a lying tosspot,just like bush.all politicians are corrupt,and or masons!not got time of day for any of their lies and antics.
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scotsboyuk
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@k700nut
At last, an unbiased and objective viewpoint on politics.
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eric_emeralds
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@absinthebri
after all the research on what went wrong in florida in 2000 was finished, it was determined bush lost the state by 537 votes. it's still a loss, but 16 million people lived in florida at the time of the election. 537 out of 16 million is an incredible margin (0.003% to be precise) but the electoral college needs to be changed to allow states to split their electoral vote according to their popular vote. 2 states (nebraska and maine) can split their electoral vote already, and there is a referedum currently in legislation in colorado to allow their electors to vote according to the popular vote. incidentally, colorado is a traditionally republican state, but polls for today (10-29) show kerry with a 4 point lead there. |
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