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gelfen
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actually a 100m (class 2)  device paired with a 10m (class 1) device will fail outside the 10m radius, because they require a two-way "handshake" in order to transfer data. the class 2 can "see" the class 1, but not vice-versa.
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dazbradbury
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Ok, well this was interesting to read. Does it mention what company? I was part of this, and that was about 6-7 months ago when the idea was thought up. But the main counterpart dissapeared and I never heard from him again. The idea is actually really good, in fact there are alot of interesting things that can be done with this and we had thought of all of them. But basically I'm not sure what happened to the plan, so I would be interested to know if this is the same people just trying to promote it now as they got the patent months and months ago....
hmmm, I'll follow the link now. I'm actually creating a prototype model for this as part of my coursework, as even though I never heard from him again, I still needed to finish my c/wk off!
Anyway, I've got a whole project on this basically, and it's a great idea. If people are interested I should have my model done soon, shame it wont be a working one, (not doing any kind of electronics), (well apart from lights and stuff, but not the bluetooth parts!) |
bluejacker
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#gelfen <-- Of course you are right - silly me.
There are quite a few people claiming to be writing this type of software at the moment. You don't need any electronics - pick up a USB BT adaptor from a computer store and that's all you need along with a laptop.
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Cycovision
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Yeah, software that expands the capabilities of BT is a good idea. I dare say that there's loads of good uses for it, instant messaging for example, but are we ever gonna see them? Or are we only gonna really see the bad ones (i.e. spam)? |
mongey
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Wot about an app that screens wot u want 2 see from the junk has Anyone thought bout making one? Take a step back and then look at the prob!;-)
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Cycovision
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@mongey
Valid point, but I would say:
1. Difficult to do. The better companies get at filtering out junk, the better spammers get at getting it through the filters.
2. We shouldn't HAVE to filter out Junk! It's a well known fact that spamming has very low success rates, spammers only do it because it's so cheap and easy to do. If you send out several million emails a week, for example, then at least one person is bound to respond. I'm not talking about legitimate, opt-in marketing here, I'm talking UNSOLICITED SPAM!!
Which is exactly what BT spamming would be. The shops would detect your phone, and send out their crap REGARDLESS of whether you want it or not. That's just not on in my book 
It's one thing putting posters up in the shop window to advertise special offers, If you CHOOSE to look at it, then so be it. If they send you ads via BT then you will recieve them regardless, even if you can delete them without reading them. I'd even go as far as to say that it almost constitutes an invasion of privacy.
Sorry, but It's an issue that I feel very strongly about  |
davieboi
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@Cycovision
I agree with you there that it is wrong.
But could shops do that now? I saw some artical on the news yesterday about how it had been made illegal to send spam within in the UK and im geussing europe aswell. I'm geussing this is only relevant to emails but surely given time the EU would introduce something similar for bluetooth devices?. Thus making it illegal for the shop to send us an advertisment and technicaly if we were to recieve one we could threaten them with legal action for sending spam message, however I have to admit it would be hard to prove it was them who sent it etc etc
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Cycovision
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Yes, I saw read that news article too, and I certainly hope that you're right
The problem is, as you say, that the current legislation only appears to address email spam. Companies can still send out flyers and junk mail, and would therefore probably argue that BT spam is completely different to email spam 
Knowing the EU, it would take them years to sort the issue out. Particularly when you consider that unlike email spam, banning BT spam could have a bad financial effect on the companies that will provide the hardware and software to do it. Most ISP's and hosting providers hate email spam since they get no extra money from the people who send it out and it has a negative effect on the performance of their systems.
Like I said, let's just hope that you're right 
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sn3ipen
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I heard there is a cinema in london that have a ir base station on the outside and the people that will recive information on the latest films have to turn on the ir and put the phone in the right position. But what happen when they start using
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davieboi
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Well I doubt it would take off in cinemas personaly... I mean everytime I go to the cinema I see some dodgy advert normaly from orange telling me to switch my phone off.
But if they started to send messages by bluetooth couldn't we just pair the devices we want to use. So for example pair your T610 with your friends P900 and then set the bluetooth in the T610 to ON but put it in the mode where its hiden if people try to search for bluetooth devices - and im geussing theres a similar option on the P900. So both phones would be invisible to dodgy companies trying send us crappy messages. But and this is the bit where I aren't sure, with the T610 and the P900 being paired togther would they still be able to see each other via bluetooth? If so I suppose that would be a short term answer.
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bluejacker
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If you make your phone non-discoverable then they won't be able to send you their BT messages/spam.
If you want to receive the full message (as a Bus Card) then you would have to accept the bluejack - I'd guess that the initial message would say something like "Special BT offer from MacDonalds - do you want to receive it?" or similar.
Email spam was outlawed as it has a cost on the networks and the recipients (especially those use 0845 dialups) whereas mailbox spam through your letterbox has not been outlawed and I doubt they could outlaw BT spam on the same basis as it incurs no third party cost.
However, unless they reduce the amount of power that BT takes when it's switched on, users will disable BT until they actually need it - has anyone else noticed how BT kills the P900 battery!!
Steve
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Cycovision
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Yes, as I said in an earlier post, at the moment you can always turn BT off. More advanced BT systems might let you select which BT devices to 'listen' to and which ones not to.
The question is, if mobile companies stand to gain financially from BT spamming through licensing etc. How long will it be before they start implementing 'always on, listening to all BT' in their phones?
Until fairly recently, colour displays were a no-no in mobiles due to the drain on the then primative batteries. As battery and BT technologies progress, it's certainly feasible that 'always on' BT could be done.
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sn3ipen
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In some nokia with bt you canīt turn the bt off.
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Cycovision
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There you go! It's happening already lol  |
davieboi
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Well out of interest about how you said its feasable that BT always on could be done soon - at the moment I always leave BT on in my T610 just so my pc can always access my phone and I haven't noticed the battery running out quickly however I have a deskstand for my T610 so I just put it on there whenever I'm at home and leave it on there over night. But during the daytime I haven't seen my battery noticably drain quicker to when I didn't have BT on all the time.
Plus in relation to this topic, I have my BT on all the time and I have tried now and again to bluejack and have only really been successful once but apart from that no one has ever tried to send me a prank message. So I doubt that BT phones are taking off that much - or people are leaving it on because when I try to search for BT devices in my town centre I very varely find anyone. My point being would companies at this point in time take BT as a feasable way to market, seeing as the majority of the people (where I live) either don't have BT enabled phones or just leave it switched off and have no use for it.
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Posted: 2003-12-11 23:41
