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fatreg
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volvoman
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OK my son has just had his T300 on Orange PAYG stolen. We have Orange care and have gone through the police and spoke to Orange to get the phone replaced, which it will in the morning. Brilliant service by the way. Now my question is this, the phone has been blacklisted by Orange, so that it will not work. Are you aying that if the lads that stole this phone leave it alone for about a week, then it will start to work again. I was given the impresion by OCS that it would never work again, unless it was recovered and sent back to them. |
tycho
Joined: Sep 17, 2002
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On 2003-08-04 01:48:56, fatreg wrote:
blacklisting is a not good at all!!
if a handset is placed on the "blacklist" the relevent network will watch out for it coming onto the network if it doesnt appear for about a week then place it on the "graylist" and it will again work, networks dont place the handset omn the blacklist forever as its too expensive to do this.
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This is not true at all. The cost has nothing to do with allowing the handset to work after a short time, maybe so if you count lost call revenue due to the user not being able to use a phone. The MSC will ask the EIR database for an equipment check every 5 times or so the handset tries to call/text etc. This occurs whether the handset is Black/White or Grey. The case of allowing the handset to work is purely a network/strategy issue.
Vodafone in the UK only syncronise with the Central EIR database for the other UK networks. Other networks may do differently. This capability to block phones from the network has been here for the last 5 years or so but only recently have the networks been forced to check the IMEI's. Before this, they have had to have one on the network but not necessarily connected. |
fatreg
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im only going by what the head of Oranke UK retail security said to me!?
now correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure it not in his intrest to tell me false infomation,
maybe orange do it differently as all orange handsets are locked to Orange UK??
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wrath000
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When the phone is blacklisted, it remains blacklisted forever, unless it's returned to the rightfull owner in which case it can be whitelisted again.
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tycho
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On 2003-08-04 17:34:47, wrath000 wrote:
When the phone is blacklisted, it remains blacklisted forever, unless it's returned to the rightfull owner in which case it can be whitelisted again.
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The phone can be whitelisted by the network no matter who is using it. Some networks will trace what IMSI is using the IMEI and if there is a number of different IMSI's using the same IMEI then this indicates possible cloning of the equipment and also if the IMSI is being used by a number of different IMEI's then this can indicate possible user cloning. These can be picked up by the network software. I am currently installing an EIR in Sri Lanka. |
wrath000
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I never said it can't be whitelisted. What I mean is that the IMEI will not get whitelisted again unless there is a good reason for it.
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Posted: 2003-08-04 01:48
