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masseur
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of course the videos are not as good as a 5mp device but actually, this video recorder software produces remarkably good MOV files, and certainly they are good enough to upload to youtube etc which then do heavy compression and conversion anyway, or to email as they are still of a reasonably manageable size
jailbreaking, unlocking etc is a choice we have and a choice that everyone has on any mobile phone so its not unique to the iphone. look at the software, firmware and drivers forum here and see how many people are customising their handsets with patches and sound and audio drivers etc
this is, as usual, a discussion that will never have an ending because different people want different things and different people see things differently
for me, as a windows mobile "fanboy" for years, I still do a hell of alot more on my iphone than I ever did on my WM devices, and that is enough reason for me personally to have it
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Bhavv
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So, what do you do when you buy an Apple IPhone on an 18 month contract, and then think 'Oh damn, I wish I had a better camera' 
If I ever want an upgrade to a better phone within my 18 months, I am more then capable of putting my current phone on Ebay and buying a new one Sim free. But I really dont see myself having to do that with the LG.
There is not one thing that you can add to an I phone as an App that is important to me or that I need on my phone, you obviously need a lot of apps and even jailbreaking because your I Phone is not good enough for your needs out of the box.
And I have never heard about Jailbraking mobile phones untill the defficient I phone made the practice so much more common, widespread and popular, because of how frustrated users are with what their I phone actually cannot do.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-03-31 12:46:59, Bhavv wrote:
Doesnt jailbreaking / unlocking / using another networks sim card nside an I phone invalidate its warranty?
Jailbreaking can be reversed in moments, there's no need for it to ever be a warranty issue.
I dont condider doing anything that voids the warranty of a phone just to increase its usefullness a good thing.
It's one feature. If I thought video recording was so much more worthwhile than all the iPhone's finer points, I wouldn't have bought an iPhone - but clearly it's not hampered the iPhone or its many users too much.
I can use Twitter and Facebook on any mobile phone with a browser, no need for a seperate app. I have been using facebook on my T700 for months now.
I won't bore you with the long list of feature and usability improvements that the dedicated Facebook and (various) Twitter apps offer over the rubbish mobile web versions, but naturally if they weren't there then the apps wouldn't exist in the first place, since the iPhone can easily access the desktop and mobile versions of those sites too.
I believe from its demo video the Arena already has turn by turn GPS, but I dont need this feature myself so wouldnt know.
I think if it had TomTom built in, you'd probably know. Like so many other things, it's something you might not need now, but could easily need six months down the line.
I setup my Email account on my phone as soon as I switched it on, and it allows my e mails to be read on my phone.
And what, that's impressive? What about push email? What about your calendar and contacts, could you sync those with an Exchange account? How well does it handle attachments, or HTML email?
I dont use apps on my phone
So you don't use any of the functions of your Arena - the email, calendar, calculator, Youtube, Google - you realise they're all apps, right?
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masseur
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On 2009-03-31 13:02:10, Bhavv wrote:
So, what do you do when you buy an Apple IPhone on an 18 month contract, and then think 'Oh damn, I wish I had a better camera'
I do have a better camera, its called a Sony T series 
If I ever want an upgrade to a better phone within my 18 months, I am more then capable of putting my current phone on Ebay and buying a new one Sim free. But I really dont see myself having to do that with the LG.
I don't just have an iPhone... I still experiment with other phones in the same way you do. Since having the iphone I have had an HTC tytn II, HTC diamond, the X1 and N95-8gb and a couple other I can't think of right away.
But yes, I never liked the idea of an 18 month contract and never had one previously. my iphone 2g was bought sim free but when the 3g came along I figured I may as well move my number from t-mobile and use the minutes/data etc included in the plan since, by that time, I was already convinced by the iphone. I still remember when I got that first 2g I said on here that I'd have to get one just to check it out and see what others were talking about. I even had a couple of people lined up to buy it from before before I had even bought the thing. Then I got it and a whole new world was opened up to me.
There is not one thing that you can add to an I phone as an App that is important to me or that I need on my phone, you obviously need a lot of apps and even jailbreaking because your I Phone is not good enough for your needs out of the box.
you seem to see jailbreaking as a bad thing but as I said earlier, its what alot of people do on here with other phones (patches etc) in order to get more from their device so doing it on the iphone is not unusual
And I have never heard about Jailbraking mobile phones untill the defficient I phone made the practice so much more common, widespread and popular, because of how frustrated users are with what their I phone actually cannot do.
lol, people (and me) were hacking motorola V3s and other phones long before iphone came along.
what we see as a phone with alot of possibility to make it exactly what we want... you see as a phone with alot of limitations. you need to open your mind a bit more to the possibilities
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Bhavv
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Not apps that I needed to actually download, you see, I got exactly what I wanted in my phone, it does what I want out of the box, and it is superior to your I phone in every single possible way ....
Except for your useless downloadable apps
Oh, and facebook on my T700 opera mini is far from rubbish, it is easy to use and I have no problems with it to need a seperate app for it.
I now have a full HTML browser, so no, I really dont need Facebook or Email apps when I can just log into the websites on my browser and use them as I would on my PC.
As long as I can send and recieve email, and use facebook easilly and comfortably, there is absolutely no need for me to get an I phone just to be able to use an app that makes using them 5% easier or something.
You still have not convinced me at all that your apps on your I phone are usefull in anyway.
I dont uderstand what else I need for emails if my phone already automatically recieves them and lets me reply? Sorry, but I am simple, and my phone makes email so simple that I dont need Microsoft Outlook, which BTW, your using a microsoft software on your I phone lol.
(I have never used MS outlook, and never need to).
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On 2009-03-31 13:21:51, Bhavv wrote:
Not apps that I needed to actually download, you see, I got exactly what I wanted in my phone, it does what I want out of the box, and it is superior to your I phone in every single possible way ....
Sorry, but no. Being objective about this, you have a nicer camera and video recording, and a higher res screen (that's no so readable in daylight). That's pretty much where your superiority ends.
Except for your useless downloadable apps
Those downloadable apps that can extend the iPhone's abilities in every possible way?
Oh, and facebook on my T700 opera mini is far from rubbish, it is easy to use and I have no problems with it to need a seperate app for it.
So why upgrade at all? Don't exactly "believe in better", do you?
I now have a full HTML browser
That's slower than the iPhone's, according to reviews.
so no, I really dont need Facebook or Email apps when I can just log into the websites on my browser and use them as I would on my PC.
So your PC is slow and has a 3" screen? No, didn't think so. You spend a few weeks logging into the full HTML version of Facebook on your Arena and then tell me that it's just like your PC, and you can see no virtue in a superfast dedicated client that's perfectly tailored to mobile use.
I dont uderstand what else I need for emails if my phone already automatically recieves them and lets me reply? Sorry, but I am simple, and my phone makes email so simple that I dont need Microsoft Outlook, which BTW, your using a microsoft software on your I phone lol.
(I have never used MS outlook, and never need to).
First off, I'm not talking about Outlook, or using Microsoft software on the iPhone (although I've no problem with Outlook or Microsoft for that matter). I'm talking about the ability to hook up your phone's email, calendar, contacts and more over the air to an Exchange server, which is something that many professional people want or often need to do. The iPhone supports it, your Arena (I'm guessing from your blankfaced response) does not.
The thing is, when you came onto this thread, you made various claims about how iPhone users could easily make do with a cheaper phone, that your T700 did everything the iPhone did, and that your Arena did even more (better in every possible way, etc). Of course what you actually mean, and have supported with everything you said since, is that you can easily make do with a cheaper phone, that your T700 did everything you needed it to, and that your Arena is even better suited to your needs. Is any of that actually relevant to this thread?
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Bhavv
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My posts are only irrelevant to I phone fans such as yourself, simply comparing the I phone to other handsets feature wise is not a problem to anyone else.
So why upgrade at all? Don't exactly "believe in better", do you?
Because my contract ended and I had an upgrade like I get every 18 months? Anything wrong with that?
Sorry, but no. Being objective about this, you have a nicer camera and video recording, and a higher res screen (that's no so readable in daylight). That's pretty much where your superiority ends.
Plus expandable memory up to 40 GB, better video playback, Dolby Mobile audio, and a smaller, lighter phone?
Yes that is where my phones superiority ends. It is still superior to your I phone in all of those areas lol.
I have no idea why people are drawn to the I phone so much to have to defend it as much as you do. What is with your incredible obsession with downloadable apps and wanting to counter every negative, yet true statement made about the I phone?
The I phone is of course still relevant because of fans of the device such as yourself. I also heard such possitive comments about the Samsung Omnia from someone who bought and used one, put I looked at the specs and saw only 640x480 at 15 FPS video recording, so I chose not to buy one because I wanted at least 30 FPS VGA quality as a bare minimum for a high end handset.
I get what is worth my money. LG Arena is definately worth the £200 I paid. T700 was definately worth the £150 sim free price. The I phone however is overpriced and not worth the money, but of course, it is still relevant to its admirers and people who can blindly be so devoted to a mobile phone made by apple.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-03-31 14:22:30, Bhavv wrote:
My posts are only irrelevant to I phone fans such as yourself, simply comparing the I phone to other handsets feature wise is not a problem to anyone else.
But you just keep proving that other handsets can't compare "feature wise" to the iPhone. For instance I couldn't possibly switch to your Arena because I need full Exchange compatibility. I had it on my last HTC phone and never even considered the iPhone until it gained that feature in the last big update. It's a common requirement for many people, particularly in business. So why do you keep pretending that cheaper, non-smart feature phones like the Arena and T700 can be viable alternatives?
Because my contract ended and I had an upgrade like I get every 18 months? Anything wrong with that?
It's just funny that you can't see the irony, that's all. You wouldn't dream of not getting your upgrade every 18 months and dropping one old feature for something better like a hot stone, but of course the idea of being able to update and improve the features of your phone on a daily basis through downloadable apps is completely alien and repugnant to you...
Plus expandable memory up to 40 GB, better video playback, Dolby Mobile audio, and a smaller, lighter phone?
Got a 40GB card on order, have we? As far as I'm concerned nothing could improve on the quality of the iPhone video experience, and if "Dolby Mobile" isn't a meaningless marketing gimmick I don't what is!
I have no idea why people are drawn to the I phone so much to have to defend it as much as you do.
Have you asked yourself why you feel the need to attack it as much as you do? Did you notice me "defending" it before you weighed in with your ridiculous claims about how I (along with every other iPhone user) should make do with a T700?
What is with your incredible obsession with downloadable apps
Perhaps I'm just enthusiastic about them because I actually know what they are, what their value is, and how much they can add to the usefulness of the phone?
The I phone is of course still relevant because of fans of the device such as yourself.
This simply makes no sense. In what way can I "make" the iPhone relevant. Perhaps you mean it's still relevant because it's still popular, but surely that isn't answering the question at all - why is it so popular? Because people like me like it? It's a meaningless, circular argument that dodges the issue you don't want to tackle - what's so good about the iPhone..
of course, it is still relevant to its admirers and people who can blindly be so devoted to a mobile phone made by apple.
Another attempt to paint me, Masseur and others as helpless Apple acolytes, despite the fact that I've never owned another Apple product in my long and mostly Microsoft-driven life. Yawn.
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masseur
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ditto. this is the first ever Apple product and even after iphone 2g and 3g I'm still hesitant to get an apple computer of any type
I do admit that I almost got the Newton, and sometimes wish I had considering
btw, I also do use outlook because no matter what device I have ever had, be it palm, psion, pocketpc, windows mobile, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, etc etc, I have always been able to synch my contacts and stuff from that central point
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On 2009-03-31 12:46:59, Bhavv wrote:
Errrr, no, you see, I can like, use third party apps any time I want? You cant? Only ones made by apple or you invalidate your warranty right?
I missed this from your edit on the previous page, so in answer to your question - wrong, the Appstore is crammed full of third party apps written by third party developers, it's only the store itself which is run by Apple.
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Bhavv
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so funny reading comments from iphone owners. its human nature to defend what you've bought, but get over it, iphone is good design but beauty is only skin deep. LG have taken the design but if you read the specs actually have produced a much higher specd device.
iphone is old now and needs to have a price reduction if its going to attract users. imo..
Just taken from a post on the LG Arena article on Esato
In replies to your earlier post:
- No matter how many apps you add to your I phone, you cannot give it a 5 MP camera. Also, I couldnt upgrade my old phone to an LG Arena by using apps. Software does not upgrade a phone in any way whatsoever, it just gives it more games and software. There is no Irony in upgrading my *HARDWARE* every 18 months, when apps cannot in anyway do this.
- I will be ordering a 32 GB card as soon as it drops to £50. 32 GB + 8 GB onboard = 40 GB.
- I put some music on my LG Arena, and no, the Dolby Mobile feature is far far far from a marketting gimmick, unlike Apples claim to being revolutionary. The music on my LG Arena sounds amazing, so much better then any handset from SE, including Walkman phones that my friends and family use.
- A better hardware feature is never a gimmick, it is a fact that the device is better then another which lacks that hardware, and basing my claims purely on the hardware, and NOT on the software, the Apple I Phone is not a good phone compared to the LG Arena, HTC Touch range, Samsung Omnia, SE Xperia .... the list of superior and similarly priced handsets over the I Phone can go on and on and on.
- I have every reason to attack the I Phone for being so expensive and only having a 2 MP camera.
- Of course the I Phone is usefull, but so is every other handset on the market, some are even more useful then the I Phone.
- The I Phone is not anymore relevant then any other device. This is just an opinion of its fans like you, the person who started this thread, and other I Phone fans.
The I Phone is not even a dominant phone:
LG sold 100 million mobile phones during 2008 while 13,5 million iPhones were sold during the same period.
For the record:
- Nokia 470 million units sold in 2008
- Samsung 200 million
- Motorola 99.9 million
- Sony Ericsson - 96.6 million
iPhone has less than 1.5% of the total market. I can't see where iPhones dominates among these figures? .
Get over it. The I Phone is crap and a lot worse then you like to believe it is. It is not relevant, or dominant, and very few people in the mobile market actually want to have one.
Also, the LG Arena picked up over 1 Million pre orders weeks before it was released, and who knows how many more have been pre ordered by now? I wouldnt be surprised to see such a great handset outsell the I Phones figures very soon, but of course, a lot of people will instead be waiting to buy a Samsung Tocco Ulra or Omnia HD instead. Even so, I expect these models to greatly outsell the I Phones figures, just wait and see.
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What are you folks going on about? Series 60 is the best thing out there. Tonnes of apps available for it and you dont need an app store to get them and the phones can do most of the things you can do on a pc. So what if it is not flashy? At least I can browse websites using three browsers and chat with my buddies - all simultaneusly. If you say why someone would want to do that, all I can say is, I don't know about others, but this is about me and this is what I do.
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That was what an S60 fan (like me ) would say. To each his own. Whats the point in going on about the same thing repeatedly? The iPhone was too dumb a phone for me till now. I might take a look at it when OS 3 is out.. but then, I refuse to buy a product that has "restricted" stuff and for me bluetooth file transfer is freaking important. I wont touch any LG with a one mile rod -- even though they have some S60 stuff . S60 satisfies me as it has been doing consistently for the past five years. I am happy and I don't care.
T230 >> T610 >> Ngage QD >> N73 >> N85 >> Omnia HD >> And countless other review units |
Bhavv
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I like S60 phones too.
This is my very first LG phone, although I could just as easilly say:
'I will never touch an Apple device with a one mile rod',
And right there, we have the reason why so many people dont, and actually why so many people do want the I Phone.
(Wow! it's made by Apple, buy buy BUY!!!
or
Eww, it's made by Apple, dont touch).
Although the full reasons go far deeper then that and into the specification level, as explained in plenty of detail already.
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Ah an i phone debate thread! I love these. Anyway i agree with bhavv. That thing IS shite. Here it costs 600 without a contract. Now what should i do go for the X1 which is only 10 euros more which is way better or even the samsung INNOV8T for 20 euros more. In otherwords over priced over hyped and over used. That thing should die but no people like you find it a wonder. Damn apple and their poison apples. |
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Re: "Why is the Iphone More Relevant Than Others"
It isn't.
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Posted: 2009-03-31 12:51
