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how exactly would the music be produced on our phones with out any sort of chip?  there are just handsets with ONE dedicated chip, then there are some with it intergrated on another chip. you need some sort of audio chip otherwise you wouldnt get any sound.
most people wouldnt be able to tell the difference in quality. apart from bass or treble. and in terms of proper sound quality, theres many more factors involved to distinguish good/bad sound.
again though, the average consumer wont be able to tell the difference. its the people who are actually a little technical minded. Audiophiles etc...
example. if everyone could tell the difference in sound quality, do you think the ipod would be the best selling DAP? definately not.
then again, on one hand, one ears may not prefer the sound signature of an ipod, yet loves that of a sony dap. and on the other, that person may love the ipod sound signature, yet hate the sony signature. it depends on the player and the persons ears. we all prefer our own type of signature 
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quality is quality? whats not to like about DSP?
ok, so you saying that every DAP sounds great because it has a DSP? so not true.
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I did say that the 'Rock' preset is stunning as compared to other Walkmans I've tried, that's for sure. I don't know why the Megabass sucks and other settings suck big time so I'm guessing it's probably the software
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On 2008-08-04 17:21:07, mode wrote:
Ah, yes, the smartphones. Ok with exception to these, yes I find the audio quality superior to other Walkman phones, but oddly enough, only if you use the 'Rock' equalizer preset. The other settings just suck. I wonder what that's about?
The sound on the P990i was so much better than my current W910i.
But I'd like to comment on your equalizer setup. I listen to a wide range of music and I preferred the Jazz preset.
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You have to admitt that SW and HW are totally dependant on each other.
CPU which is a HW is playing a major role in these two entities.
SW instruct CPU to activate the designated HW and HW perform that task and you see the result of it in the form of SW again.
There are a bunch of DSPs in every digtal appratus and tadays modern phones, pda etc are perfect examples of DSPs.
What actually a DSP does, it only process your digital singals in one way or another. It performs countless amount of tasks in a phone which you even wouldn't like to know.
And as we all are speaking of DSP (dedicated chip for music) here, whenever the software recieves an instruction from a user (let say for music) the CPU takes those instructions and a DSP/s is activated just to process digital singnal which have came from A2DC/s (Analogue 2 Digital Convertor) in the form of MP3, WAV, AAC or any other format.
Now who is playing a major role in order to produce quality audio out of that HW? solemnly depends on the SW written (or we can call it a decoder) for that specific device and the quality of headphone you are using to listen to that music and that's why SE or Nokia have got a separate line of brand for music.
And remember these companies are there to make money and they would do any trick to take the money out of our pockets and that is a very gentle and simple trick they do through SW just to produce relatively good audio in their music branded phones with the supplication of nice headphones.
And what according to you guys a dedicated sound processor does is that, they dump the SW in to that chip (HW) which consists of DSPs, A2DCs which can then be used as a separate single device only for music or audio oriented tasks.
That's all what I think of DSPs and their functions.
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On 2008-08-04 15:38:07, Mizzle wrote:
Great and mature way to put it, QVGA san.
Fact is that people are different, one will like it more, the other one won't.
The fact is that DSP makes the audio better, whether someone likes it or not, thats irrelevant. Why do you think the audio on newer phones like W910 is so god awful?
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If you've listened to a N91, N81 or SAMSUNG i450 and compare that audio quality to a W890,W910 or W960 you'd know that the DSP/AMPLIFIER in the N91, N81 and i450 makes a major difference, the audio is a lot richer, crisper, much better stereo separation, a lot more bassy, and great treble and bass balance -something my K850, the W880, W910, and W890 are terrible at.
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On 2008-08-05 07:41:53, QVGA wrote:
On 2008-08-04 15:38:07, Mizzle wrote:
Great and mature way to put it, QVGA san.
Fact is that people are different, one will like it more, the other one won't.
The fact is that DSP makes the audio better, whether someone likes it or not, thats irrelevant. Why do you think the audio on newer phones like W910 is so god awful?
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the phone having a DSP or not. There will ALWAYS be a unit processing the audio, ALWAYS. It does however have something to do with what kind of DSP it is, and that's what you're never talking about. It's always "Oh it's got a DSP, so it's muuuuuuch better", which is utter nonsense.
Another fact for you: It isn't god awful.
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On 2008-08-05 09:32:50, GUCCI.011 wrote:
If you've listened to a N91, N81 or SAMSUNG i450 and compare that audio quality to a W890,W910 or W960 you'd know that the DSP/AMPLIFIER in the N91, N81 and i450 makes a major difference, the audio is a lot richer, crisper, much better stereo separation, a lot more bassy, and great treble and bass balance -something my K850, the W880, W910, and W890 are terrible at.
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What the hell! You should try G700/G900 audio is better than w910, w890 even n81
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On 2008-08-05 10:01:00, Keiki wrote:
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On 2008-08-05 09:32:50, GUCCI.011 wrote:
If you've listened to a N91, N81 or SAMSUNG i450 and compare that audio quality to a W890,W910 or W960 you'd know that the DSP/AMPLIFIER in the N91, N81 and i450 makes a major difference, the audio is a lot richer, crisper, much better stereo separation, a lot more bassy, and great treble and bass balance -something my K850, the W880, W910, and W890 are terrible at.
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What the hell! You should try G700/G900 audio is better than w910, w890 even n81
AFAIK that has the very same hardware as W960? If so the N81 destroys it.
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who cares about some chip ??? as long the sound is clear & have good bass, (which even my K850 / C902 have (with a pair of good headphones), its really ok.
the only thing i can see a chip does (like N81), its a louder (stronger) volyme.
but that N81 should have much better sound-quality then example w980, (even w760, etc) it dont buy for one second. (Sonys walkman techniuqe is really good, simple but good), allways been and allways will.
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Sound quality is so bloody subjective.Why do people keep on hampering on the same thing again and again. Let me get this straight The K850 has better RMAA ratings than the N81.I guess this proves a point. |
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Btw, if there is a DSP or not, still the same process happens. The DSP also runs software, the matter is only if the audio processing runs on the main CPU or a second CPU. A dedicated DSP is not necessarily better, it depends on the software run on the DSP. For example I have media player hdd case which can play AVI file. It uses some dedicated chip for MPEG* decoding, still the software implementation using in mplayer/ffmpeg is muuuuuuuch better |
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btw, I know I am stupid, what what does dedicated audio chip means?
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On 2008-08-05 10:31:12, se_dude wrote:
Sound quality is so bloody subjective.Why do people keep on hampering on the same thing again and again. Let me get this straight The K850 has better RMAA ratings than the N81.I guess this proves a point.
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On 2008-08-05 09:32:50, GUCCI.011 wrote:
If you've listened to a N91, N81 or SAMSUNG i450 and compare that audio quality to a W890,W910 or W960 you'd know that the DSP/AMPLIFIER in the N91, N81 and i450 makes a major difference, the audio is a lot richer, crisper, much better stereo separation, a lot more bassy, and great treble and bass balance -something my K850, the W880, W910, and W890 are terrible at.
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What the hell! You should try G700/G900 audio is better than w910, w890 even n81
AFAIK that has the very same hardware as W960? If so the N81 destroys it.
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Yes, it have the very same hardware as W960, but G900 sound louder and clearer than W960. Maybe they SE do something about the software. Well i had w960 & n81 before so i can tell G900 have improved audio than W960, and I recommended you to test G900 
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