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razec
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@Boba:
TBH I didn't get your post above mine, isn't UIQ a symbian based platform? do you mean Symbian S60 has more 3rd party apps than Symbian UIQ?
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drgopoos
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I agree with Bobafett. S60 has atleast 100 times more applications than uiq, but quality wise not a huge difference.. I have used both the devices extensively and i virtually of install every new application available (  from those forbidden sites )...
Uiq s 3rd party applications seems to be better.
The key thing is here the interface.Touch screen + qwerty.... It makes life so much easier. It even takes away the need to install many third party applications...
All said , why i retain n95-8gb , is its great PC sync, which has been so disappointing with SE.... ( Just want to know if any one disagrees with me in this area)
GPS in a phone wow.. but the AGps in all of the new handsets is crap....
Why crap ?? have u used asus pda with sirf III gps... this is something of a device...
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I think it depends on your purpose. If you're a business user I would definitely go for the P1i. The touch interface just makes life a lot easier.
On the other hand I would be more inclined to suggest getting the N95 8GB if you're NOT a business user. As the poster above me said, there are more 3rd party apps (from those forbidden sites), and it's very all rounded. Comparatively speaking, there are more flaws in the P1i (such as lags, long boot time, random reboots, no EDGE/HSDPA). This is coming from a P1i user too...
Feel free to PM me if you need assistance. I've been a long time P1i user and I started my own blog on it too - http://www.p1iblog.com
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@razec i ment symbian s60 ( sorry to confuse u ) of course, according the thread title se vs nokia
according gps: give a try for htc trinity.. amazing. also n95-2 is more then accepteable imo
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How is touch screen geared for business users? Is blackberry touch screen? No!
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On 2008-04-30 02:14:22, Dogmann wrote:
Hi Masseur
Actuully sorry but your wrong your TyTN and even the soon to arrive mighty X1 are like 3/4 QWERTY's as my E90 has 57 keys plus 7 shortcut keys and a menu key as opposed to your 39 keys so is as close to a full QWERTY to be found on any mobile devcie.
Full qwerty means full qwerty, not how many shortcut keys you have, and in that sense all the phones we're talking about (aside from the N95) have full qwerty. They're also all compromised to varying degrees compared to a full size keyboard, and there's no escaping that in a mobile device.
@Boinng
As for the rest of your claims well sorry but as i have explained to you previously you may well be under the illusion that a Touchscreen is essential and beneficial. But as you are well aware the facts just don't support this supposition do they.
The "facts"? Oh dear...
As far more non Touch screen smart phones are sold and used than those that have it making it quite simply less popular and not what they majority think and use it just your preference but proves nothing to support your claim.
We've been over this before. You, me, and everyone else here understands the "fact" that when you put S60 in virtually every feature phone of the last six years or so, as Nokia have done, it's going to get massive market share. It's also painfully obvious that the majority of that massive market barely even know they're running a smartphone OS, let alone worry about the finer points of data input - most of these phones are sold on their credentials as cameras or music players, not spreadsheet tools. In many cases their popularity is simply nothing to do with the OS. This is a UI that was deliberately designed from the start to be little more than S40 based on Symbian, a straightforward port of the most traditional non-smart UI imaginable, and it really shows.
S60 severely crippled you are jesting the most popular and by far the best selling smart phone OS we re not talking about UIQ now.
Again you're talking about sales, and avoiding the real issue of usability and functionality, why is that? Oh yes, because any touchscreen OS beats S60 hands down, a "fact" even a child could understand.
Now you may well feel it's rubbish and that's your right and choice to make of course even if you are wrong as the facts show you.
This is the sales "facts" again? No, sorry. This is probably the weakest argument you've posted here in a long time.
As for really being silly and taking things way to literally for an supposed intelligent person you win that prize easily no contest.
I didn't realise we were in that competition, but if I'm even close to toppling your crown on that score then what can I say, I'm honoured!
Poor design lack of software and should of had touchscreen shows you really are just not in touch with reality. Maybe soon you may realise most of us choose not to have an inferior Touch screen and as for a lack of software support you really can't be serious.
As yes, the inferior touch screen, how I long for a superior non-touch screen on my Tytn II, so I'm not constantly inconvenienced by the ability to manipulate objects on the screen directly. Oh for a keyboard shortcut! I'm crying out for one of those totally superior screens which prevent me from doing anything at all! If only I was forced to select each link, button, cell, or text area with the cursor keys, how cool would that be!
Yes, me and reality are firmly parted all right.
Or have i suddenly missed the P1 and TyTN with there pseudo QWERTY keyboards suddenly getting,Flash Lite 3 Support in their browsers or VGA recording and replay have i not to mention Web Run Time Widgets.
Have I suddenly missed S60 being taken seriously as a business tool? Incidentally, Flash Lite 3 has been licensed by Microsoft for Windows Mobile, so yes, you're lagging behind there a bit...
Web Run Time Widgets. Oh how my soul grieves.
Has the P1's screen improved from being
2.6 inch colour touchscreen
- 240x320 pixel
and has the TyTN2 improved it's
- Tilting 2.8" transflective TFT-LCD with backlight LEDs, touch-sensitive screen
- 240 x 320 QVGA resolution with 64K Colours
Has the E90's screen become touch sensitive? Has its bigger screen become visible at all times?
I don't know why but last time i checked a
4" 800x352 pixels 24-bit, 16,7 million colours screen is far superior.
Last time I checked, working on any kind of display without either a mouse or a touchscreen was a major PITA, and something I happily left behind in the nineties.
As it requires far less scrolling when doing most tasks and offers much more detail when viewing any app.
And so much less useabilty or practical value.
Not of course forgetting being a non touch screen it has far greater clarity and visibility especially in bright lighting conditions.
If your car had no engine it'd be about a ton lighter, and you could push it around yourself...
Again sorry but a full QWERTY and nice big screen is no contest and i will take form over function every time no comprise needed as it just doesn't pay.
Full qwerty is available on any of the models mentioned (excepting the N95), and that nice big screen is nothing but a wasted opportunity. It should have been touch, and Nokia know that themselves - you can bet the next Communicator (if they bother making one) will use S60 Touch. Care to take me up on a wager?
P1 106 x 55 x 17 mm - 124 g
TyTN 2 112MM(L) x 59 mm(W) x 19 mm(T) - 190 g
E90 132mm x 57mm x 20mm 210g
WOW the P1 is a light weight and only 26mm shorter whilst the TyTN is a whole 20mm shorter which is a fairly heavy price to pay for so much smaller screens and the TyTN2 is a whole 20g lighter so of course the E90 is really so much bigger isn't it.
Yes. Yes it is. You know (or should know) how much difference these sort of variations make in the real world - comparing the P1 and the E90 on size is like David vs Goliath, and we all know who won there. I'm not 100% sure why you've dragged the Tytn II into this (or indeed the E90 for that matter, aside from the very apparent chip on your shoulder) but in it's defence, yes it is smaller, and lighter, than the E90. And that's really saying something, because the Tytn II is one big and heavy phone.
20g and 26mm is well just so much.
Yes it really is - on top of the already big and heavy Tytn II it's really something. We're constantly told that Windows Mobile is more resource hungry than Symbian, requiring bigger processors, more memory, larger batteries, and yet the E90 is significantly bigger and weightier than it's nearest WM equivalent - that's a little embarrassing for Nokia I think.
If you're after a business device and size is a concern (and it is to many) then the P1 is the obvious choice, and deservedly so. If you need power and more flexibility, you go for the Tytn II. It's hard to imagine why anyone would pick the E90, even after your dogged attempts to enlighten us.
Especially when it seems the TyTN is actually wider and just 1mm thinner.
Hmm - 2mm larger in one direction, 26mm shorter in another. Not much of a point you've got there.
Not of course forgetting the E90 can be used much more naturally as phone with no need to open it up but and with full access and a proper keypad for dialing that opens up with the same on the internal screen and no waiting for it to swap orientation as it already is.
We're still pointlessly and irrelevantly comparing the E90 and Tytn II here? Oddly, you seem unaware that the Tytn II gives total access to absolutely everything "without opening it up" - there's any number of on screen keyboards to choose from, and dialing a number is as simple as tapping numbers on the screen. Literally the only difference between an open Tytn and a closed one is access to the non-virtual qwerty, and the change in screen orientation.
Well at least the TyTN has a 3G/HSDPA and a fast processor all the things missing from the much lighter P1 and what a price to pay for a bit of weight and size saved.
A very sensible price to pay if those are your priorities. I agree it would be nice if the P1 had HSDPA, but for many its simply not an issue, and 3G is perfectly adequate for general browsing/email.
Now you may not like it which is fine as you and nobody else has to but to deny what is the most powerful Symbian smart phone if not any smart phone with the largest screen is just a joke and not based in fact now is it.
Here we go with the facts again. In truth, the E90 is just a product of the same old size vs. functionality vs. practicality vs. useability vs. speed vs. etc etc algorythm that every smartphone tries to address in different ways, and to point at one or two features on their own and claim "most powerful!" is just total naivety at its very finest. The E90 could have a 2gig dual core processor, a terrabyte of memory, and a 16" screen, and still be utterly, utterly useless to the majority of people - because of its size, or its weight, or its UI, or any combination of other factors. Power is nothing in mobile terms without the right balance of those other factors, and indeed real power in a mobile device comes not from the spec list, but from what you can do with it. How it can enable you, versus how it holds you back, weighs you down, gets in your way, and generally pisses you off. The E90 would undoubtedly piss me off, and that makes it a very, very weak phone in my book.
It didn't take any persuasion at all and after trying an iPhone i couldn't wait to return to it as i just really can't stand Touch screen devices at all
You really are coming across as ridiculous now. I don't mind the Iphone hate, I'm no fan of it either, but to use it in your case against touch screens that you "can't stand" is just silly. The Iphone is singular in that it has none of those "inferior" traits you always use against touchscreens - the poor visisbilty etc. It's a solid glass screen, probably a lot better quality than anything on a Nokia, and yet you still "can't stand" it purely because it happens to be a touchscreen. I can almost see the froth from here.
and am sure that will include the Touch S60 UI when it arrives just in case you want to suggest it's just because Nokia don't have any yet.
Good for you. Ruling out a new UI before anyone's seen anything of it at all - that's the mark of a truly irrational hatred, well done.
So to sum up if you like the E90 or not to deny it as one of the most powerful if not most powerful and well specified smart phones currently released is just without foundation isn't it.
No, see above. A smartphone that's too big, too heavy, and lacks a useable interface, is simply not smart at all.
Unless of course you disagree with every major reviewer in the smart phone community.
I agree with some of them (those you'd no doubt define as "minor" or not part of the "smart phone community"). I disagree with others. Do you agree with all the very many that have heaped praise on the Tytn II, or even the P1?
Really i expected more reasoned arguments from you than petty name calling sounds like the Green Eyed Monster got to you today.
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On 2008-04-30 06:12:42, QVGA wrote:
How is touch screen geared for business users? Is blackberry touch screen? No!
It's geared towards EASIER usage for multimedia or business users.Blackberry with no touchscreen?So what? They lag behind anyway.That phone's crap anyway except for the messaging part. Input is nightmare-go and try it,I had the chance yesterday and couldn't believe that was a qwerty keyboard. |
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On 2008-04-30 08:46:44, 701 wrote:
On 2008-04-30 06:12:42, QVGA wrote:
How is touch screen geared for business users? Is blackberry touch screen? No!
It's geared towards EASIER usage for multimedia or business users.Blackberry with no touchscreen?So what? They lag behind anyway.That phone's crap anyway except for the messaging part. Input is nightmare-go and try it,I had the chance yesterday and couldn't believe that was a qwerty keyboard.
Blackberry is the most popular amongst business users, NOT P1!
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I find nothing simple about Touchscreen, except that its SIMPLY annoying for me.
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123 phone? no thanx. geek pleasure, for those types competing in sms writing races.
Once I had to use a replacement phone having no qwerty / no touch, and went batshit. I could not type in single name into contact list - cycling through those stupid [abc] [def] made me crazy in a second. I kept on using call history to call people  Since then going for booze I always take my old battered p910i.
Again, having to select an entry in long list, I definitely don't want to press DOWN several times to select bottom one. What I want is point a finger like child in candy shop - "I_WANT_THAT!".
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@Gucci
Very useful post, makes a lot sense.
So why don't you throw away the mouse of your desktop so that you could discover & enjoy the freedom and convenience of controlling your PC/notebook via keyboard only ?
@Dogmann
It seems as if Nokia is not the pioneer of so called 'data centric' devices (as you are frequently trying to imply).
The E90 is a brick (even compared to TyTN II), which (still) only supports single band HSDPA/UMTS and a GPS which is next to useless.
No touchscreen, slower CPU, abnormal dimension and last but not least, 'powered' by Symbian OS.
Sorry, it can't compete with the TyTN II.
Oh and for the color depth you should know that WM currently only supports 16 bit, hence it wouldn't make much sense to pack it with a 24-bit display (yeah, there are some manufacturers who have packed their wm devices with 18-bit displays).
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a-n-y-w-a-y...
I think we've had this discussion once or twice before
so, its time to remember that this is about the P1 and N95 8gb and I wonder if any of this has helped the original poster in their decision?
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made the topic starter "confused" maybe..  |
myth®
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@masseur
You're right, I think that he/she is more confused than ever
But at least he/she got an idea of another alternative:
WM, which imo is the way to go anyway, now and (looking at the performance of the other platforms) in the future...
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On 2008-04-30 10:49:57, myth® wrote:
@Gucci
Very useful post, makes a lot sense.
So why don't you throw away the mouse of your desktop so that you could discover & enjoy the freedom and convenience of controlling your PC/notebook via keyboard only ?
 don't get it twisted now, i hate Touching my phone Display,and realy don't like using a stylus, does a Desktop involve either of these? Well atleast not mine.
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