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chrisfirst
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So, there is only one thing I don't like here... Where is the sim card slot??? Don't tell me it has a built in one by the network....
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djsaad1
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On 2007-06-27 13:10:06, QVGA wrote:
Its their first phone, give them a break!
Its unacceptable for others to have it because they're experienced in this department.
Thirdly, iphone has EDGE.
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Normally I would say your right, they need a break because its their first phone. But I think they deserve to get harsh reviews when they hyped it up so much and keep saying it is the most revolutionary gadget to come out in years. Give me a break, there are phones quarter of the price that can do more.
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Jools
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It may be their first phone, but that doesn't mean that it gives them the right to remove simple features like MMS, video recording or MP3 ringtones. Those type of omissions aren't because of 'limited experience', is really just a case of doing-it-because-they-can.
Apple have 'the right' to include or exclude any features they want - they designed it. Same as you have 'the right' to buy/like it or not.
And they haven't 'removed' these features. They were never there in the first place to be removed. SMS isn't that popular in the USA, MMS is even less so. Maybe when the iPhone is released in Europe they will add it. We don't know.
How often do you use MMS? I've never sent or recieved a single one.
And also, if you're new to the marketplace, it should be expected that you make your phone to the standard of other devices on the market (especially if you're charging so much for the phone).
If you'd actually read/watched the reviews you would know that they say the iPhone far exceeds the competition in the main areas it is designed for. i.e. The Web Browser is the best on any smartphone, the music functions are the best, video playback is the best quality, the user interface is the best.
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shaliron
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@JoolsG4
Maybe if you read my post  ....
I did acknowledge the great interface, great screen etc. But what my main grudge is, that if any other manufacturer did the same, would those same criticisms be taken as lightly?
And to say that it 'was only designed for xyz' as a defence for its less than satisfactory basic feature set is being too narrow. Just like how SE refuses to intergrate its series (which ain't good by any means, but the K850 or W960 is an example of pretty fine convergence) is no excuse for saying:
It's a music phone. So just have a phone with a music player and tons of memory.
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It's a camera phone. So let's have a phone with a really good camera stuck on (i.e. what Samsung does in Korea).
And music phone without A2DP?
And no mp3 ringtones? Now that's unfair, and I feel for the consumers (some of which are going to be mindless customers caught up in Apple's hype) who will find out that what Apple promoted as 'revolutionary' fails to do what their old cheap phone could do (in some aspects).
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QVGA
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"Maybe" an update to the OS can do something? like using MP3's as ring tones? Dont forget thats a full fledged 700MB OS in there, I'm sure it can be tweaked, if not by apple, then by a third party application. |
Jools
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'revolutionary' means "involving or causing a complete or dramatic change"
I think that's a pretty accurate description of the iPhone in general and particularly its interface, and the interface is what people spend the most time using.
No MMS. Means nothing to me - I never use it. It's got email which is far better.
MP3 ringtones Yeah, I don't understand why they'd leave that out, as its such a simple feature. It's probably so they can start selling them in the iTunes Store.
No A2DP. Yes, this is a strange ommision for a music phone. But understandable, as reportedly the iPhone is based on Mac OS X 10.4 which also does not have A2DP support. I think this will be added later, when the OS is updated to be based on Mac OS X 10.5 which does have A2DP.
2MP camera is fine for most general uses, emailing, printing at 6" x 4". Of course there's better, but the pictures just take up more space and unless you're printing poster sized prints the extra size is unnecessary. The flash units on most mobile phones are useless mostly. Best not to have one at all.
No 3G (your post is wrong, it does have EDGE). For the current US market this doesn't really matter as 3G isn't widely available yet. I can't imagine Apple would dare release an iPhone in Europe without 3G. If they did, it deserves to flop.
No video recording. Something I wouldn't miss. The quality, even on established SE phones is rubbish. Unless Apple hugely improved this I would prefer they leave it out.
No Flash. This could easily be added later. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple chose not to support Flash on purpose. If they were going to support Flash why would they do a deal with YouTube to convert all their video to H264. Also, Flash is a competing video format to QuickTime. And finally, if the iPhone supported Flash, the third-party apps that people could create would be muh better. Apple probably don't want the competition.
No voice dialling. Can't imagine why they left this out. Especially as it has a Bluetooth headset. Either they cut it out to get the phone released on time, or its another Steve Jobs 'do it my way or not at all' decision. Possibky easily added later.
On their own, each of these drawbacks are fairly minor, and not everyone will be bothered by all of them. From what the reviews say, the drawbacks are easily overlooked by the advances in the rest of the phone and its UI.
Some of the things that are considerably better than the competition:
- battery life
- screen size
- thickness
- video playback quality
- ease-of-use
- graphical UI
- speed of UI
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Delta 9
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The Iphone reminds me of when the Ipod was launched. I remember hearing about it the news, how Apple's Ipod was a smash hit in the USA. Back then I couldn't imagine paying $300 - $400 for an mp3 player no matter how big the memory was. By the time the Ipod was mainstream here in the Netherlands the price went down considerably whilst the size and features improved. And what's even more important: it became an triple A brand.
The same things goes for the Iphone. I can't imagine paying $400 - $500 for a phone on a minimum of $59,- a month plan. On top of that, I'm not impressed with the specs.
Personally I think the Iphone will grow into maturity whilst being quarantined in the USA. Seeing how other manufacturers are already trying to copy several influences they must have some good ideas. Later spinoffs like the I-phone mini and nano will suit the European an Asian markets better.
And although I don't see it happening right now Apple will become a player in the phone market. Eating market share from Motorola and Nokia who are big in the USA, SonyEricsson who have a higher walkman segment and Samsung and LG who tend to focus on design.
Will they be as big as in the Mp3 market? Hard to say, in the MP3 player market there were no major players. There were merely big brands who had a Mp3 player division. On the phone market there are companies completely devoted to this market (e.g. Nokia, SonyEricsson, Motorola) or who are very dependant on it (e.g. Samsung, LG). This might make it an entirely different story from the Ipod.
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>500
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@jools
you say battery life is better than the competition, has this actually been tested? or is it just an rough estimate, sort of what we get from  nokia etc?
and the other features you point out as being better, the phones not released yet, from the apple movies etc the ui etc etc looks that way maybe, but you cant say these things pre release imo, best to wait a few more days
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Jools
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@>500:
Erm, have you read/watched the four independent press reviews on the first page of this thread?
Everything I've said is taken from those reviews.
I can't comment personally as I've not seen or used an iPhone.
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>500
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read them briefy, are they protos or release version?
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Jools
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They must be the final release versions otherwise they would state that they were prototypes. Otherwise it would be misleading to the reader and potential purchaser.
With the release in just 2 days time, Apple would've finalised the design/features/software a long time ago so they could send to manufacturing.
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>500
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they seem to be all American views, where the phone market is some what limited compared to rest of us, Europe etc so they would not have had the chance to compare against the big guns from the rest of the world.... still some positives coming from the reviews though and of course if its the phone you want at heart, no need to compare to others really, its what you want!!! (i have not yet fully read the reviews, only briefly, if they do compare with phones like, n95 etc etc, i apologise  )
also jools, i can only assume you're dying to get an iphone ?
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vincebio
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those who are sceptical about the iPhone's keypad should watch the new keypad video apple has just posted on the iPhone site an hour ago..
http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/keyboard.html
some really neat ideas on how the keypad works, and some really cool magnification
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Jools
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On 2007-06-27 16:39:56, >500 wrote:
they seem to be all American views, where the phone market is some what limited compared to rest of us,
Of course they're American reviews. The iPhone is not available anywhere else in the world, nor have any international release dates been announced. And they do compare to other phones, Blackberrys, N95 etc.
I'd suggest you read and digest the reviews - they make interesting reading/viewing even if you don't like the iPhone.
also jools, i can only assume you're dying to get an iphone ?
No, I don't want one in its current form at all. I'd want at least 3G, iChat IM and to know how much it will be here before I'd even consider getting one.
In Europe we've got at least 5-6 months to wait. No networks have been chosen for it to be available on yet.
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wap123
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stewps, i would not waste my time buying this, i would rather buy an ipod & buy a cheap phone.
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