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@zoot - If there will be JUST (2) peeps (members) who will remain here . . . REST assured that - bobafett is ONE of those ! 
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On 2007-06-17 00:29:49, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-06-17 00:26:51, jcwhite_uk wrote:
I like the fact that Fatreg, who is trying to help Esato and its users, started this thread to help stop the hatred and some people here seem to be using it for just that reason.
I think fatregs point has been proven!
thank you JC 
yep thanks ftreg, after tht little 'chat' i kinda feel ore welcomed again
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jcwhite_uk
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On 2007-06-17 00:29:50, zootzoot wrote:
On 2007-06-16 22:35:03, QVGA wrote:
i am wondering where bobafett is, i hope he didnt "leave"
Me to i havnt heard from him in a long time, very unusual...
i hope his ok....
He is fine. There is a thread dedicated to his disappearance:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=149260&start=0
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shaliron
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Well I part of the issue is that 'fans' for the other manufacturers, Nokia in particular, expect this forum and its members to be totally objective in their views of phones. Now that'd be a perfect forum. People giving advice without any bias at all, but truth is, that's not and never will be the case.
A few notable members go around flaming others for SE bias, despite the fact the Esato is a Sony Ericsson based forum. It started off like that, and it will probably always have predominantly Sony Ericsson users, so some type of leeway has to be given to allow for at least a little bias.
So then these 'fans from other brands (FFOB)' start going on about what people say, nitpicking little points, blowing it up into huge arguments about whether someone like  or the Nokia equivalent. Then accusations fly in from them about SE bias, and vice versa, they get accused of Nokia bias.
Problem is, everyone commenting in that thread is biased to a particular brand, but the majority can only see that only they are totally objective and everyone else is a fanboy.
I'd like to think that when I take part I give objective opinions about phones, and only opinions in which I know are true. I don't like commenting on what I don't know. But then again, I don't deny that I prefer Sony Ericsson over Nokia, especially because their products cater towards my needs specifically. But I don't give ludicrous statements which I know are exaggerations or false.
Problem is, those FFOBs don't take notice of the generally fair and balanced statements made my either myself or others. They notice the newly registered fanboys and start going on about everyone being fanboys of SE, and using that as 'proof' that their brand is better.
So it's really all about understanding, and especially for the FFOBs (who are the minority), that there is always going to be bias in this forum, and people are not going to turn around and happily accept their views whether right or wrong.
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I'm with fatreg, themarquise, cycovision, jcwhite and the others who are tired of the never-ending hate wars. Over what - phones. A good amount of objectivity is what we need. Different people have different needs (or even preferences), and we all ought to respect that.
Nowadays, I just skip the wars - as tempted as I am to bash a few heads in anger over their non-objectivity  Of course, doing that would only further add fuel to the furnace (as I discovered the few times I did bash).
I have visited Esato almost daily the past 3 years, and posted on a wide range of issues. Yet the last time I owned an SE was - what - 2 years ago or so. Mobiles are tools; not my life.
Whatever happens, I'll keep coming, if only to post in the regional threads at the worst.
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bluechips
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what really do excites me on esato are the updates and news posted by "axxr" and other members, i always look for it definitely everyday and my thanks to them. after that i will scan on forum posts and replies which kinda hook me at times into "subjective" comments which actually not healthy most of the times.
and at this point well, i need to loose this VS mentality and reach everyones thought with undrstanding. |
Sammy_boy
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I'm glad someone started this topic, as if not I would have done!
I'm all for healthy debate on different models, it's just when the fanboys get involved and start flaming each other and all the pointless 'SE rulez' stuff starts that it gets tedious and very annoying!
Like AYA I've avoided those topic to avoid wanting to bang some heads together!
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londonlad123
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On 2007-06-17 08:30:00, AYA wrote:
I'm with fatreg, themarquise, cycovision, jcwhite and the others who are tired of the never-ending hate wars. Over what - phones. A good amount of objectivity is what we need. Different people have different needs (or even preferences), and we all ought to respect that.
Nowadays, I just skip the wars - as tempted as I am to bash a few heads in anger over their non-objectivity Of course, doing that would only further add fuel to the furnace (as I discovered the few times I did bash).
[ This Message was edited by: AYA on 2007-06-17 07:31 ]
You're spot on, that's the best thing to do now, just avoid it all.
What I am sick and tired of is repetative posts saying the same thing that "I" need this, that se phone doesn't have it, therefore se is crap for everyone and the highest spec nokia announced at the time is better.
Say it a couple of times ok. But this is posted again and again and again and again.... and again... in all the main threads.
There was a thread for it, but when that got boring, it moved on to other peoples threads in other sections. If you say anything (as I and a couple of others have) because you disagree and see it as an unfair/biased way to look at it based on their personal needs, they try to labled you a se fanboy and easto has a fanboy problem, somebody do something.
There is a member who always post good fair arguments I haven't seen post in the last week or so. If you put effort and thought into your post trying to make them fair etc and you get treated badly, then you get tired of trying. I think that's who fatreg is talking about too.
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Davo_169
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i came for the phones
i stayed for the people
but lately there are only a few users on here that still give me the time of day..
i hate the phrase but im gonna have to say i do miss the good ol' days
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fatreg
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On 2007-06-17 11:06:44, trogdor the burninator wrote:
i hate the phrase but im gonna have to say i do miss the good ol' days
But all the "old" users are still here...
minus a few but the majority are here..
let's bring back the love!
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masseur
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I guess its all relative and these days will be the good old days for some members in the future
anyway, group hug   
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londonlad123
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Lol, I wasn't expecting that. |
Danny_BFC
Joined: Jun 18, 2006
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Alex WTF are u talking about? Im 14 and so is Arein and nobody treats us any differently, your not the only one here Under the Age of 16 you know.
Im not fussed about phones/gadgets no more. If im online im in the Non-Mobile discussion  |
paul101
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WOW there sure are alot of under 16's (me one of them) here, anyway enough of my off topicness you are not alone and here ppl should be treated the same whatever age they are.
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Danny_BFC
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On 2007-06-17 16:48:26, paul101 wrote:
WOW there sure are alot of under 16's (me one of them) here, anyway enough of my off topicness you are not alone and here ppl should be treated the same whatever age they are.
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[ This Message was edited by: paul101 on 2007-06-17 15:56 ]
Agreed Mate, some people obviously need some special attention though
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