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Topscooby traded me a phone which has become blocked. |
Mike.P®
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On 2007-02-15 23:04:15, 6230 wrote:
On 2007-02-15 21:10:08, Mike.P® wrote:
Cheers for that but I must say in Topscoobys defense that when he sent it the phone was working.
So if it was working when you got it why blame him?
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So if I sold you a phone and it was working, then 2 months later it got blocked you would be ok with that would you because it was fine when it arrived?
Great .. fancy doing a trade?
sheesh.
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luigithfc
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if nothing gets sorted with that nokia 8800, give me a shout. 
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Mamber
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@Adi23
......also you did not read my comments on the following?
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=141675 |
J-J
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Having read both threads on this the only way that i can see it being resolved fairly is for TopScooby to refund Mike and then TopScooby to go back to the ebay Power Seller he bought it from and explain the situation and inform him that if it cannot be resolved that he will involve the police.
I cannot see any reason why Mike should be left out of pocket for this as it was in no way shape or form his fault and IMO the responsability lies solely with TopScooby
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andrewkeith5
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sorry if this has already been said, but:
It it whoever sold, traded, or passed on the device that is responsible for it. By passing on a device as blacklisted, whether knowingly or not, he is breaking the law, and if necessary you can go to the police to recover funds for it (don't know if you want to).
In a technical world, the W950 (was it that) has been stolen, as it has been traded, with cash, for an extra device. Technically, now that you knowingly have a blacklisted device you are obliged to take it to your local police station and obtain an incident number which you can use for future reference.
Heck, if the phones been in an insurance scam, the insurers might refund you themselves (provided you can prove that you recieved the device in exchange for another device and/or monetary transfer). You'll wanna be careful about that though as they can very easily just blame you for nicking it (ah, and scooby would probably have to prove it wasnt his fault too, so be careful, I dont want fellow forum members in trouble just because of my post :S ).
Thats how I understand it anyway...
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Mamber
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@andrewkeith5
....so if I quote YOUR IMEI number by accident to the provider because I have lost MY phone, WHO is responsible then?
Read the threads and you will see with only one digit out, ANY handset can become barred. Worrying isn't it?
For example your handsets IMEI is 123456789012345 and I quote by accident [because my eyes are bad for example], 123456789812345 who is responsible??
You have not got a clue where I'm from or who I am?
Can you see my point?
Believe me this does and has happened, as it's happened to me several times.
By the way it's a Nokia 8800 we are talking about!! |
Mike.P®
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I was under the impression that to block a phone you had to quote more than an IMEI number, giving some personal information already on the phone which the company could access by sending a signal to the handset .. then again I may be wrong as I have never had cause to do it.
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masseur
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when my son had a handset nicked at school I called vodafone to get it barred and they checked on their system that the imei I quoted had been used on my account with the sim card that was used for his mobile phone number
I would expect this cross reference/check to be a standard requirement to prevent such accidents or malicious barring of other peoples phones
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Mamber
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Well as mentioned it's happened to me on more than one occasion.
I have also had a phone barred in another country as the buyer did not pay, those of you that use other forums will remember the situation with 'bcool' perhaps?
There was NO record of me owning the phone, so nothing for them to cross reference!
Perhaps this phone may have been barred by the provider because the contract did not finish, as mentioned also in the other thread?
I'm on your side I hasten to add Mike, as any situation like this is hassle.
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Was the handset on PAYG or Contract or had it been on contract? Think about it, if you buy a PAYG package from say Woolworth who knows who it's registered to? I bet not many people log it to the provider when first purchased?
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masseur
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On 2007-02-16 11:53:11, Mamber wrote:
@masseur
Was the handset on PAYG or Contract or had it been on contract? Think about it, if you buy a PAYG package from say Woolworth who knows who it's registered to? I bet not many people log it to the provider when first purchased?
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it was a contract phone
but if you are trying to bar a payg you are going to need to know the imei and the phone number and the chances of someone else knowing that is very remote but as I have not barred a payg phone I don't have any real knowledge of how that works in practice
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Mamber
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it was a contract phone
but if you are trying to bar a payg you are going to need to know the imei and the phone number and the chances of someone else knowing that is very remote but as I have not barred a payg phone I don't have any real knowledge of how that works in practice
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No!
You only need the IMEI number to barr a phone, and if you have a phone number they may ask you that.
Would be interesting to hear from a large dealer how they go about registering ALL of their phones, against a provider in case they have to barr.
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andrewkeith5
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it seems that your very unlucky then mamber, as what the networks should do is ensure that the phone number AND SIM NUMBER have been used with the devices IMEI within the last (i think) 6 months.
If not then they have to cross-refernce it with other details like the registered name on the sim card
they use the imei/sim number combination to track the device when it is reported stolen - as this IS kept by retailers who HAVE to pass the details to the manufacturer. Some retailers can also use credit or debit card details for the person who bought the phone to ensure that they are reported correctly
Even if the phone is bought with cash and the sim not registered, the police will still know which sim was bought with which phone - the only time this does not work is when phones are sold sim free, in which case they can be tracked anyway as the SIM number (not the phone number) and the IMEI are stored whenever the phone connects itself to the network.
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masseur
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On 2007-02-16 12:30:00, Mamber wrote:
No!
You only need the IMEI number to barr a phone, and if you have a phone number they may ask you that.
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so you're suggesting that you can call up your phone company and give them any old IMEI and they will bar it?
I'd be very surprised and worried if that was the case, and it certainly wasn't in my example. I'm not able to find any official document that describes the procedure to get a phone barred, I keep coming up with just the MOBILE TELEPHONES (RE-PROGRAMMING) ACT 2002
anyway, how it gets barred is a bit off topic for this thread, this is more about the repercussions of the actual event described and how that can be resolved
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solidsingh
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you need to be original owner to bar the phone, you need proof of purchase also
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Mamber
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@solidsingh
Are you saying the provider can do this then, if the contract has not come to an end as I stated earlier?? We know this happens a lot, as they are the original owner.
@masseur
Yes you are correct it is WAY of topic, I will start another thread in the 'General' thread as I have another good debate about who owns a phone.
Sorry Mike, but good luck with your quest. |
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