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JK
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So how big is the difference between ericsson and sony ericsson and sony to for that matter!!! |
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jcwhite_uk
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Sony and Ericsson own Sony Ericsson. SE is the mobile phone division. Ericsson does many things like Mobile network structures, defence equipment and business phone systems. Everyone knows what Sony do.
SE is run as seperate company from Sony and Ericsson although parts from the 2 companys are obvious in SE phones.
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JK
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So Ericsson makes Data Base towers,  has an advantage over other manufacturers in terms of data, Ericsson with their obvious involvement with can EASILY make edge enabled phones right???
Just how Sony allows phones to use Sony Duo Pro mem sticks!!! |
JK
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Their 3G data cards have edge. |
Super G
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On 2005-08-23 16:32:41, goldenface wrote:
4G will use 3G infrastructure. That is where the future lays.
We have had this discussion before, in great detail.
Sony Ericsson's main markets are/were Europe and Japan, both had early 3G network and this is where the majority of its customers where. Why should have it bothered wtih EDGE if its core markets did not support it. What a waste valuable resources.
This is now changing with the introduction of Edge on mid range models and Sony Ericssons wish to boost low/mid end models and market share in Asia and North America and Africa.
The reason why it has only bothered with 3G handsets and technology in the past is because it is a young company and probably wanted to groom itself as a high-end niche manufacturer, which it did.
3G phones = high-end phones so that is where its resources went.
What people fail to realise is that NOKIA is 11 times the size of Sony Ericsson
Nokia employs 55,000 against Sony Ericssons 5000, which gives you some idea of the difference in the size between these companies.
David and Goliath anyone?
Nokia has got huge resources to release EDGE enabled phone after EDGE enabled phone at the drop of a hat and is able to compete in every market successfully.
simply hasn't.
Each handset had to be carefully targeted at a specific market / buyer or it would just lose out and a big mistake could be fatal to such a small company.
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@ goldenface:
You seem to assume the whole Nokia makes phones...
In your figures, compare Nokia's size to that of SonyEricsson PLUS Ericsson. Also do not forget Ericsson Mobile Platforms within Ericsson.
Anyway, EDGE is also being evolved to provide better coverage, better data rates. That's where the future lies as well. 3G is not going to be any time soon (or at all...?) as massive as GSM/EDGE... |
goldenface
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Well it is only recently that has begun to use the leverage of its parent company Sony, what with Walkman and all.
Ericsson don't just make handset platforms for , they make them for other companies too.
So just because Ericsson owns 50% of doesn't exactly mean every handset should be EDGE enabled does it?
Ask yourself, why doesn't every handset have BT and IR?
The point I am trying to make is that the early 3G handsets that made were targeted at certain markets - Europe and Japan - both regions had burgeoning 3G networks.
I am sure if they thought there was a huge demand for EDGE in these - its core markets - it would have been incorporated, but there wasn't.
Now that the company has set its sights on EDGE enabled markets we will see more EDGY handsets, but a couple of years ago this wasn't a priority. |
JK
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Almost all handsets from the T610 up has IR and Bt, The K750/W800 should have had EDGE!!
 but I hope the newer phones have it!
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Supa_Fly
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@Arne, i know that your highly respected here but i must disagree with months of experience. First please reiterate what version of 3g gives you 2mbps? The first version of 3g is 384kbps download -this is not hspda- just regular 3g. I agree with data rates affected by how many people on a given tower using data or more likely which msc (2,6,9)which more directly affects speed for any given user. In the usa Cingular users in not so congested cities by population compared to Rogers in Canada,consistently get slower rates when the same phone is being used. My 6620 is only a class4 edge device yet when sitting beside 5 others whom have class 6 or 10 phones connected to the same network on the same band i still get 100kbps speed tests done when hooked to a laptop run 4 times in the same time frame & doing streaming video. Here in Canada, Rogers is the only carrier that offers Edge & only on the much stronger 850mhz band that gives coverage so much farther than 1900mhz band. We all knew which tower we were connected to because 3 of us work for Rogers and have access to the switch db to have a list of towers in an area that wont jump any of us onto a nearby tower.
Edge is Ericsson's creation by the way. And is much cheaper to implement; licensing costs and hardware, as its a software upgrade to pure gsm based networks, hardware upgrade to tdma based networks that have converted to gsm. There are roughly 240+ million user on various networks in various markets that are potential sales to SonyEricsson which im sure theyd love to have a piece of. Hence more phones offering it from them. This isnt about 3g vs edge, its about the validity of using or implementing Edge for the end user. |
REO
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@Prom1
I am on Cingular using an S710. I get 125 - 175 kbps while using it as a modem with my laptop.
I am greatful for EDGE, as it is extremely convenient when I am away from WIFI locations.
I definitely want EDGE on future phones. During a recent business trip, the WIFI in the hotel I was staying in was out of service for a few hours. I pulled out my handy S710 and remained productive for a few hours. It was nothing compared to WIFI, but it beats the hell out of regular dial up connections.
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alexlt
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Yes, hasn't produce too many EDGE phones because their main market is Europe, where EDGE is not too popular, but now will start focusing in American market and will make more EDGE phones 
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JK
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One more thing on the K750/W800 they have 2mp cams, quite large pics and to 'QUICKSHARE' it will depend on the networks gprs speed, where if it had edge it would be able to send larger kb pics much faster!!!
I hate it when you send a pic and the recipient gets it 2 days later!! 
So yip EDGE is definately worth it. Why dont you guys have edge in the UK??? Not even one network that supports it??? |
Supa_Fly
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@Reo,glad to see your getting very sweet speeds for your average. Nice indeed.
@786, just a little fyi. Mms delay on networks is on purpose. Voice calls always takes precedence, then sms, then data which includes surfing on port 80 or mms. You dont want to make a 911 call and get a busy tone or not reachable msg response from the network.  But i see what you mean. Here 300kb is the max limit of mms, i send 4photos min at a time via email thru data service which is hella slow for gprs.
I fail to see how a mid market phone aimed at a worldwide market not a target market like a fashion phone, k750 vs Moto Razr respectively, would miss wider appeal by not implementing edge. Cost is neglidgable with such mass production & using platform from ericsson directly. At least since my arguement in the mega debate for more edge phones from them resulted in more choice;they just missed it in the k750. Im still gonna buy one. |
JK
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mmm Calls and gprs dont effect eachother AFAIK!!! 
BTW even the stupid little 3220 has edge... 
[ This Message was edited by: 786KBR on 2005-08-25 09:48 ] |
jcwhite_uk
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On 2005-08-25 10:47:37, 786KBR wrote:
mmm Calls and gprs dont effect eachother AFAIK!!!
[ This Message was edited by: 786KBR on 2005-08-25 09:48 ]
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They do affect each other as they doth take up bandwidth on the transmitter towers.
In the UK we dont have EDGE as all but one of the major networks has 3G and to implement both standards would have cost more money. Also because EDGE is part of the 2G system when 2G is eventually phased out in favour of 3G, like 1g was phased out in favour of 2G, the technology will be useless thus making 3G a longer lasting standard.
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JK
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On 2005-08-25 12:32:52, jcwhite_uk wrote:
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On 2005-08-25 10:47:37, 786KBR wrote:
mmm Calls and gprs dont effect eachother AFAIK!!!
[ This Message was edited by: 786KBR on 2005-08-25 09:48 ]
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They do affect each other as they doth take up bandwidth on the transmitter towers.
In the UK we dont have EDGE as all but one of the major networks has 3G and to implement both standards would have cost more money.
Also because EDGE is part of the 2G system when 2G is eventually phased out in favour of 3G, like 1g was phased out in favour of 2G, the technology will be useless thus making 3G a longer lasting standard.
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We got V/phone partnered with one of our networks, we also have our second biggest network, (no v/phone) They have, GPRS, GPRS+, EDGE and 3G!!!
 GSM network phasing out, not in the near future!!!
[ This Message was edited by: 786KBR on 2005-08-25 11:40 ] |
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Posted: 2005-08-24 10:27
