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i think that first picture goes way too far......
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axxxr
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I think its just about right Gelfen!...Bush aint no different from Hitler..just that Hitlers methods were more direct.
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What goes to far for me is when i see hundreds of people dieing in the streets of Iraq due this maniacs policies...Due to his policies 100's have been killed in the streets of gaza and Rafa..1000's killed in Afghanistan due to his sick and twisted policies..And your offended by me making making comparisons of him with Hitler!...Killing of 1000's of innocents men,women,and children isn't offensive??I would'nt be surprised if Bush turned put to be a closet Nazi to be perfectly honest.
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i'm afraid i will have to disagree with you on that point. bush may be many things (greedy, selfish, inept, even prejudiced) but he is not genocidal. nor is he personally responsible for every civillian casualty. the situation is not that simple.
i'm sorry, but i find that picture offensive (as i would if almost any other world leader's face was substituted).
that picture belittles the suffering experienced not only by the millions of jews during the holocaust, but also the gypsies, homosexuals, mentally and physically disabled and other non-caucasian groups targeted by Hitler and the SS.
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If he's not Genocidal then how comes hundreds of Thousands of people have died in Iraq,Afghanistan,and Palestine due to his direct policies!!..If thats not Genocide that what do u think it is?..You paint any picture you like but in the end this is what it boils down to..Mass Murder.
I think this is the way he should be portrayed.Someone has to stand up for the thousands of poor Innocents souls who suffered due to this Genocidal Maniac.
If anything that picture shows that the same mindset that was responsible for the Holocauset and oppression of gypies,homosexuals and other faiths and casts.Still exists today and thats history repeating itself..just now its the Muslims turn...It enforces the idea that evil is still alive today as it was back then...and we are still turning a blind eye to it all!
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gelfen
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ignoring the gross exaggeration of casualties, not every one of those people died because of american bombs/bullets. sure they've had their fair share, but as i said yesterday it's not like it's deliberate. there is a fair percentage of human error in the civillian deaths caused by US and/or coalition troops.
what about the civillians killed as a direct result of insurgent/extremist action? a majority of insurgent action is directed at or very near civillian targets.
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Well gelfen your forgetting the one small fact the none of this accidental or coalition bombing would have occured if mr nazi pants bush did'nt decided to go in the first place..What did bush think when he invaded?.He maybe thought this was gonna be a picnic..the great might of the U.S army against a weak third rate power.Thats where his stupidity comes into play.When countries are illeglle invaded people do fight back!..and they have every right to.Anyone would do the same.You cant sit here and blame the insurgents and other terrorists for all this mess...Bush created this war and his responsible..I would like to see him pay the price for it..Lets hope by some miracle he goes to a war crimes tribunal.
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there's no doubt that the US grossly underestimated the effort required to undertake this latest offensive, and their ability to pinpoint targets. i'm not arguing the comparitive morality of US policy. a majority of the fighting and civillian death is the result of insurgents who have come in from outside iraq or who have an agenda other than iraqi democratic self-rule. if they truely supported iraqi freedom, these groups would wait until after June 30 and would not target iraqi civillians. you forget that the average iraqi is not anti-US but merely pro-freedom.
the reason i find that image offensive is that i know several people who either themselves or their families suffered during the holocaust (incidentally, i also know muslims who are relieved that Saddam has finally been deposed) and i think the image you posted belittles their experiences. i also think there is a world of difference between the US campaign, which no matter how misguided or insensitive is a purely military campaign, and the ideology of Nazi Germany.
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Im not denying the fact Iraq's are not pro-freedom or anti U.S no one is anti u.s..most people who are against america are just showing there dislike of Bush and his foreign policy.i would have been the first person to celebrate if Saddam was removed from power or assasinated for his crimes.But not by the Americans they had no right to be there since had already made the country suffer from the previous gulf war.The only people who had the right to remove saddam was Iraqi people themselves and no one else.The handover date does'nt mean anything its just a token gesture by bush does'nt mean anything..It will however mean something when 100% of the forces withdraw and a 100% u.n army is brought it..but you know and i know that will never happen.
In regards to my my picture of bush in his nazi form as i said before
If anything that picture shows that the same mindset that was responsible for the Holocauset and oppression of gypies,homosexuals and other faiths and casts.Still exists today and thats history repeating itself..just now its the Muslims turn...It enforces the idea that evil is still alive today as it was back then...and we are still turning a blind eye to it all!...I have many Iraqi friends who are happy that saddam has been removed but they categoricaly do not agree with methods...You also say there is world of difference between nazi germany and & the u.s..The difference is enough to make a comparison..Before it was the poor jews who suffered now its the Muslims..The Muslims are being persicuted by america and its policies everywhere.Go to Palestine and you will see muslims men.women 7 children shot outside there doorstep for being muslim..In iraq & Afghanistan muslims are being killed by american soilders everyday and American policy is responsible for that.
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On 2004-06-15 04:38:23, axxxr wrote:
...The only people who had the right to remove saddam was Iraqi people themselves and no one else.The handover date does'nt mean anything its just a token gesture by bush does'nt mean anything..It will however mean something when 100% of the forces withdraw and a 100% u.n army is brought it..but you know and i know that will never happen.
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but since the UN repeatedly failed to act when it should have, someone had to step in. even the UN doesn't have the right to enforce it's rule on a sovereign nation, but the declaration of human rights supersedes that prohibition. the UN will never go into Iraq now, partly because it thinks it doesn't need to but also because to do so now would be to admit it was wrong not to go in the first place. it's one thing to say that the only people with the right to remove saddam were the iraqis, but they had no means for doing so. under such conditions the rest of the world was obliged to get involved, even if they didn't have a "right" to.
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On 2004-06-15 04:38:23, axxxr wrote:
...The Muslims are being persicuted by america and its policies everywhere.Go to Palestine and you will see muslims men.women 7 children shot outside there doorstep for being muslim..In iraq & Afghanistan muslims are being killed by american soilders everyday and American policy is responsible for that.
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this is the misapprehension i cannot understand. the US, and/or Bush, is NOT anti-muslim per se, but it/his stance on some issues requires that they act against the interests of certain islamic states. this is much different from being against all muslims, and a distinction which is very important. i don't want to get into another debate over the relative merits of israel vs. palestine. suffice to say i believe every race deserves a land they can call home, free from tyranny, oppression and war of any sort. with respect to iraq and afghanistan, it's overly simplistic to say that "americans are killing muslims". they're not killing them BECAUSE they are muslims, but mostly because they think they are being attacked and/or threatened, or because they are insurgents or extremists. there are non-muslim non-US deaths in iraq too, but they seem to get overlooked.
finally, i am not pro-Bush by any stretch of the imagination. i think the guy is a poorly educated, inept gimboid, with more than a few dodgy deals in his past. the other thing to remember is that he isn't the only one making the decisions. i would guarantee that his advisors are largely responsible for the policies currently in place.
 
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@gelfen: Those pictures are funny!!
I have to say I'm not sure about the Nazi thing - sorry @Axxxr! I agree with Gelfen, whilst I also think that Mr. Bush is a complete total, and utter smeghead, he's not a nazi (yet?). I can see where you're coming from, the fact that he seems to ride roughshod over world opinion and has his own selfish opinion, but I also suspect he isn't behind many of these policies, it's people behind the scenes doing this. I've seen a programme a while back on these 'Neo Conservatives' that are behind Bush, and that they are behind a lot of what he does. He seems too stupid to me to be able to make decisions on his own about invasions, etc. Or maybe that's why we're in the mess we're in now - someone left him on his own in the White House for more than 5 minutes - and when they came back the Bonehead had invaded Iraq!
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Gelfen said: Quote
but since the UN repeatedly failed to act when it should have, someone had to step in. even the UN doesn't have the right to enforce it's rule on a sovereign nation, but the declaration of human rights supersedes that prohibition. the UN will never go into Iraq now, partly because it thinks it doesn't need to but also because to do so now would be to admit it was wrong not to go in the first place. it's one thing to say that the only people with the right to remove saddam were the iraqis, but they had no means for doing so. under such conditions the rest of the world was obliged to get involved, even if they didn't have a "right" to.
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The U.N is failed to act coz they were not allowed to act ..there hands were tied.If the U.S really had good intention for Iraq and its people the they could empowered the U.N to go in and given them Assistance.But we all U.N is run and controled by the CIA and the pentagon.The U.N could'nt be situated in a worse country.The iraqi's could have been given external help i.e funding.weapons ect.Its not as if the U.S hasn't assasinated or help asasisnate leaders before.
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this is the misapprehension i cannot understand. the US, and/or Bush, is NOT anti-muslim per se, but it/his stance on some issues requires that they act against the interests of certain islamic states. this is much different from being against all muslims, and a distinction which is very important. i don't want to get into another debate over the relative merits of israel vs. palestine. suffice to say i believe every race deserves a land they can call home, free from tyranny, oppression and war of any sort. with respect to iraq and afghanistan, it's overly simplistic to say that "americans are killing muslims". they're not killing them BECAUSE they are muslims, but mostly because they think they are being attacked and/or threatened, or because they are insurgents or extremists. there are non-muslim non-US deaths in iraq too, but they seem to get overlooked.
finally, i am not pro-Bush by any stretch of the imagination. i think the guy is a poorly educated, inept gimboid, with more than a few dodgy deals in his past. the other thing to remember is that he isn't the only one making the decisions
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Gelfen how can you say that Bush isn't anti-muslim..fair enough they don't stand up and admit it.but thats what they inherantly are.I remember a U.S general saying a few months back Quote: Islam is the Enemy and Must be erradicated from the U.S and the world.He did get a telling off for that remark from the whitehouse.Because it was the truth that came out.That basically sums it all up.a U.S soilder said a while back that in there trainings in Iraq they are asked during parade why they are in Iraq and all the Soldiers shout together OIL SIR!!..then there commander says to them NO YOU NEVER SAY THAT!!..WHAT DO YOU SAY?says the commander?..LIBERATE THE PEOPLE SIR!!..No one is blind to the fact about What America intentions are in the Gulf..People should wake up to fact and see who the real enemy is..U.S soilders have said themselves that they shoot Quote:As manyMuslim Rag head scum as they can,when going out for patrols in iraq...I know that Bush isn't the only one pulling the strings in Iraq and the world but its his signiture that authorises everything and.And its him and his administration that should be blamed.
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