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The Danish Mohammad cartoon row - what do you think? |
JK
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On 2006-02-07 09:03:39, scotsboyuk wrote:
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I hardly think that if the Danish newspaper had known that their printing of those cartoons would have caused a global protest against Denmark, Danish people losing their jobs, embassies being set on fire and worst of all people dying, that they would have printed them. In fact I believe the newspaper has said as much.
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From the link you posted earlier...
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 4, 2006
The Guardian
It began innocuously enough. Last year the Danish writer Kare Bluitgen had been searching for someone who could illustrate his children's book about the life of the prophet Muhammad. It soon became clear, however, that nobody wanted the job, through fear of antagonising Muslim feelings about images of Muhammad.
One artist turned down the commission on the grounds that he didn't want to suffer the same grisly fate as Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker stabbed to death by an Islamist fanatic. Two others also declined. "They were worried," Mr Bluitgen said, adding: "Eventually someone agreed to do it anonymously."
What would this guy really know about our Prophet in the first place... |
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On 2006-02-07 09:01:18, axxxr wrote:
Like i said the tit for tit war has begun!..who would have thought a quite country like Denmark could have started something so big..they should have stuck to cheese making!  |
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and children's stories - although not about mohammed since that's where the thing originated.
althouh the real point is denmark didn't start it. in fact in very real terms the newspaper didn't either (read the guardian article).
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What would this guy really know about our Prophet in the first place... |
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it wasn't the Prophet he was worried about, but the people whose acts completely contradict his teachings.
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On 2006-02-07 09:03:39, scotsboyuk wrote:
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I hardly think that if the Danish newspaper had known that their printing of those cartoons would have caused a global protest against Denmark, Danish people losing their jobs, embassies being set on fire and worst of all people dying, that they would have printed them. In fact I believe the newspaper has said as much.
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From the link you posted earlier...
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 4, 2006
The Guardian
It began innocuously enough. Last year the Danish writer Kare Bluitgen had been searching for someone who could illustrate his children's book about the life of the prophet Muhammad. It soon became clear, however, that nobody wanted the job, through fear of antagonising Muslim feelings about images of Muhammad.
One artist turned down the commission on the grounds that he didn't want to suffer the same grisly fate as Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker stabbed to death by an Islamist fanatic. Two others also declined. "They were worried," Mr Bluitgen said, adding: "Eventually someone agreed to do it anonymously."
What would this guy really know about our Prophet in the first place... |
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i keep reading about how non muslims should have respect for muslims and understand there religion and beilefs ( which i fully agree with|). what i havent read yet is muslims having respect for non muslims beliefs and culture i get the impression that many muslims dont understand western culture and surely its a two way street.
i wanted to opick up on something written earlier that been that islam hasnt changed in 1400 years. that maybe true of the words written in the quran but its not true about peoples interpretation of them, there are 2 groups of muslims sunni and shia so there is a split. also around the world different groups of muslims take the text differently from the simple wearing a veil or dress modestly to ossma who claims the quran justifies his actions a belief most muslims disagree with.
so how has ilsm remained unchanged in 1400 years? |
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What would this guy really know about our Prophet in the first place...
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You know the man do you? You are aware of his academic background? You know how much he knows about Islam? You know that he never spoke to any Muslims to do research on the Prophet?
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JK
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No Scots you mayeb right, although Id like to read that story.
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On 2006-02-07 09:12:22, scotsboyuk wrote:
You know the man do you? You are aware of his academic background? You know how much he knows about Islam? You know that he never spoke to any Muslims to do research on the Prophet?
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scotsboyuk anyone who has even the slightest bit of knowledge about Islam would never be that stupid as to print something like this...if he did having that knowledge then he proberbly had some other motive.
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On 2006-02-07 09:18:41, axxxr wrote:
scotsboyuk anyone who has even the slightest bit of knowledge about Islam would never be that stupid as to print something like this...
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Why? Because he ought to know that some people have no cocept of freedom of expression and think threatening beheading is a legitimate way to convince people what to say?
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so the people who took to the street and burnt embassys have no knowledge of western culture and beielfs either?
a drug dealer dressed as a suicide bomber has no knowledge of the western culture, again its a 2 way street both parties needs to learn more about the different cultures |
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The initial idea was to print a children's book about the Prophet; perhaps to educate people on an important part of Islamic history?
In asking for drawings for the book the author found it difficult to find anyone to help him because there was such a climate of fear. It seems legitimate to me to then investigate that climate of fear.
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all I can say, is the more we (the west) are able to "turn the other cheek" the more effective we will show how freedom of speach works. So bring on the tit for tat. If only muslim countries retaliate with tit for tat, and if we in the west can laugh, with good humour and without spite, at what ever jokes they dig up, then we will have shown what it means to be strong enough to take a joke on the chin without anger.
So let's laugh ourselves stupid people! Bring on the jokes - jokes about christian missionaries, the holocaust. Bring it all on. Dump shit on Jesus, make fun of jews in New York (hell they do that themselves aka Seinfeld), laugh at all our traditions, make fun of our hero's, laugh at our political leaders (we do).
Will we care what anyone says? I know it makes no difference to me. Make fun of my mother if you like. She'll laugh as hard as anyone. Especially if it's a good joke 
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If this fool knew anything about Islam he would have known that its forbidden to draw or make a picture of what he thinks the prophet looked like, let alone write a book about Him for Islamic kids or non Islamic kids!!!!!
Muslim children are taught about the prophet in madressahs around the world!!! |
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and your point is?
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On 2006-02-07 09:28:29, max_wedge wrote:
all I can say, is the more we (the west) are able to \"turn the other cheek\" the more effective we will show how freedom of speach works. So bring on the tit for tat. If only muslim countries retaliate with tit for tat, and if we in the west can laugh, with good humour and without spite, at what ever jokes they dig up, then we will have shown what it means to be strong enough to take a joke on the chin without anger.
So let's laugh ourselves stupid people! Bring on the jokes - jokes about christian missionaries, the holocaust. Bring it all on. Dump shit on Jesus, make fun of jews in New York (hell they do that themselves aka Seinfeld), laugh at all our traditions, make fun of our hero's, laugh at our political leaders (we do).
Will we care what anyone says? I know it makes no difference to me. Make fun of my mother if you like. She'll laugh as hard as anyone. Especially if it's a good joke
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max_wedge
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to laugh if it's funny, to ignore it if it isn't, and to care no more about what people say than if they had said nothing at all 
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leeboy13
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i think what max was saying is that their beliefs are their own, as long as they dont go drawing pics of mohamed etc... then i personally cannot see a problem... we should have respect but not have to have a lifestyle change because of someone elses beliefs.... Catolics believe in going to church on a sunday etc... would a catholic flip off the handle because a muslim questioned this? i think not, we live in a very liberal world and freedom of speech is one thing each and everyone of us has, i think the people affended by this should just let it go, surely they are the ones making huge issues with regard to this and in my opinion, they are digging holes they will find it very differcult to climb out of.
(max if this aint what you mean, sorry - but this is my opinion of it all). |
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