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jake20
Joined: Jan 23, 2009
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From: USA
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On 2009-11-04 22:45:13, mikely_28 wrote:
OK! I've got it! Works excellent!
Night shots are brilliant with shutter speed! I'm at work right now, but tomorrow I'll put some pictures.
Ah, shutter speed works with night landscape.
DM, this is just brilliant what U did! Man it's awsome!!! We have all options back and more! Great, graet, great!!!
Hi mikely,
Can you post some of your DM3.8 night shots that have come out brilliant as you say?
I am very curious to see them!! and what settings did you use for them?
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jake20
Joined: Jan 23, 2009
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From: USA
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I am still trying to figure out how the settings work with DM 3.5 even.. I am not so sure I even need a better driver.
I just took this shot.. the settings were
Twilight portrait
AUTO Everything Else
EV +1.3
No Flash
The pic details after show ISO 500, and it was it a very dimly lit room.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-09 03:06 ] |
penguin_xp
Joined: Oct 08, 2009
Posts: 65
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On 2009-11-08 20:26:03, Vit wrote:
On 2009-11-08 19:17:59, penguin_xp wrote:
@jake
I still did not try to take a shot of a moving object at night or in low-light environment. What I observed with DM 3.8 is when taking night shots then adjusting shutter speed to +2.0EV, it brightens the scene like in adjusting the exposure. I am not good with technical terms in photography since I am not a photographer, I only try and test shots for the right settings of the camera. And I am still familiarizing with this new driver that is why I could not advise you what is the right settings in a certain scenario. I am only depending on my test shots.
As I've understand, when setting the shutter speed to +2.0, more light reaches the sensor since there is a longer time of exposing light to the sensor making the image brighter.
For photographers out there, can you help us with the terms in photography, maybe that will enlighten us somehow on what are the right settings to be used in taking shots... 
@Vit
Can you also post pictures taken indoors with low light?
Thanks... 
I'm not a pro shooter, but, as I've written, even with DM 3.5, which sets ISO 100 for Twilight Landscape mode, what happens when we change EV values (on that particular mode) is increase/decreasing the exposure or, in other words, decrease the shutter speed. Take a look @ one of my last comments on the subject. Normally, when shooting in AUTO mode, changing EV values changes automatically both ISO and shutter speed. If you set ISO to a fixed value, there's only shutter speeds left to be changed.
As for the the brigthness of those pics, differences in contrast and brightness may be confused with differences in exposure times. That's why I asked for EXIF info on those shots. I guess those might be the differences between them, besides the most noticeable color saturation on the second one.
It also feels that Jake has confused the shots from his two posts. Look at the most saturated pictures of the two pairs of pics he's posted. In the first comparison, the most saturated one is labeled as DM 3.5, and in the second comparison is the contrary.
I will take some night indoor shots today with my mixed drivers, which have Twilight Landscapes modes based upon DM 3.5, and post them later here. I will take them with 3 different EV values, -2.0, 0.0 and +2.0.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-08 19:41 ]
Thank you for the explanation Vit. I also noticed that when taking shots. Changing the EV settings also automatically adjusts the shutter speed and ISO settings. I guess, this is because the phone compensates with the changes made in the EV. This is also the reason I am still taking test shots with DM 3.8 since I am curious regarding the results that will come out when changing manual shutter speed and the ISO. Based on the 2 night shots I've previously posted with DM 3.8, adjusting the manual shutter speed to +2.0 results to 1/4s exposure time setting the ISO to 200 and 2.0EV. I observed that whatever value I set with the manual shutter speed, the same value goes with the EV settings.
I am now using the first driver edited by Vit, I will try to test and post some pictures.
[ This Message was edited by: penguin_xp on 2009-11-09 07:34 ] |
jake20
Joined: Jan 23, 2009
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From: USA
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On 2009-11-08 20:26:03, Vit wrote:
I'm not a pro shooter, but, as I've written, even with DM 3.5, which sets ISO 100 for Twilight Landscape mode, what happens when we change EV values (on that particular mode) is increase/decreasing the exposure or, in other words, decrease the shutter speed. Take a look @ one of my last comments on the subject. Normally, when shooting in AUTO mode, changing EV values changes automatically both ISO and shutter speed. If you set ISO to a fixed value, there's only shutter speeds left to be changed.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-08 19:41 ]
Hi Vit, sorry for my ignorance, but I am not too experienced in photography.
My question about your comment above here is that if we already have a manual ISO menu in DM 3.5, and changing the EV value effectively is changing the shutter speed, then why do we really need a manual shutter speed option?
sorry if this is a stupid question, i am just a little confused here
on another note... Does anyone know if there is any way to get rid of the annoying beep that sounds when auto focusing?
thanks
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-09 16:43 ] |
penguin_xp
Joined: Oct 08, 2009
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@jake
I guess having manual settings in a camera gives the user more control of it in taking shots base on what he/she wants the output of the image would be. Setting the ISO and the manual shutter speed on whatever settings you want makes it a fixed value. Even though you adjust the EV settings, it will not affect the ISO and the shutter speed since it was already set to a fixed value. I believe this is what Vit is trying to say in his statement.
In the case of DM3.8, manual shutter speed and EV value can be set using the right D-pad. This means that you cannot set the 2 settings at the same time. When Shutter Speed is selected in the menu settings, adjusting the right key of the D-pad will adjust the shutter speed not the EV value. In order to adjust the EV value, you need to select the Auto or the Color Correction settings in the menu. The same goes with the Focus. In order to change the manual focus, you need to select it in the menu. Then adjusting the right key of the D-pad will adjust the manual focus not the EV value nor the shutter speed.
I hope I was able to help you understand. Please also correct me if I am wrong... |
rajac
Joined: Jun 22, 2009
Posts: 76
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@Vit
I have seen your pics with 4.1+3.5.So amazing!But there's a little problem with me.I can't open your link... 
So could you please Email me in mallone@sina.com?Thanks a lot! |
barareklam
Joined: Jan 16, 2008
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@jake20
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=184015 |
jake20
Joined: Jan 23, 2009
Posts: > 500
From: USA
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@barareklam
Thanks for that link, perfect!!
I also tried Vit's mixed driver, and took some comparison shots, and I had very bad results with low light indoor shots.
Shots from DM 3.5/3.8 came out better.. but then again, the CBE 4.1 driver has so many options to configure, I would really like some info from Vit on what settings he used to produce those wonderful pictures.
I really do not think it will get any better than DM 3.5 for ease of use vs quality of images.
I guess I need to ask myself that..
Do I want to use the CBE 4.1+DM 3.5 mixed driver, and have to fiddle with a lot of settings all the time?
or
Do I want more of a point and shoot driver that is easier to use, but less configurable?
I think, ease of use maybe, but i am not 100% sure really yet..
i would like to see what Vit has to say, about what settings he uses for that mixed mode driver to produce the pictures he posted.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-09 19:13 ] |
colmoss
Joined: Dec 30, 2008
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i have F305. want to connect it with PC and also used PC SUite 6.0, but that doest detect my phone, kindly help. |
riksilvers
Joined: May 13, 2009
Posts: 139
From: Otley, West Yorkshire, UK
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On 2009-11-09 20:26:25, colmoss wrote:
i have F305. want to connect it with PC and also used PC SUite 6.0, but that doest detect my phone, kindly help.
@colmoss
This is a C905 camdriver forum.!!
Try here
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Vit
Joined: Nov 13, 2007
Posts: 279
From: Brazil
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@ all:
Sorry about not providing full explanations on how to use the Cybershot mixed driver, but I am really in a rush this week and, as its interface is the same as the original Cybershot Xperience 4.1 that has already been posted right here @ this thread, I thought that you would figure them out at ease.
Plainly, what I do when I use that particular mixed driver is trying to take every single night shot with Twilight Landscape mode on, even indoor shots (yeah! manual focus works in this mode, too!). Then I select the menu that offers color tunning. Once I get all the colors as I wanted, it's a only matter of getting the phone still and shooting with the self timer on (Indoor shots without flash come out more or less good as with any other driver - I guess that's the C905 camera's Achille's heel).
Here it goes, in my opinion, the goodies about that driver:
- It's possible to change the focus manually even in Twilight Landscape mode, which offers locked focus at infinite by default. So you can shoot any near object with that awesome slow shutter speed;
- Color fine tuning. That's handy when you face complex lighting scenarios;
- Manual contrast;
- Manual saturation.
And what I don't like about that driver:
- Portrait shots with flash get way too much saturation that I could not get rid of.
- Manual ISO doesn't seem to work as good as with DM 3.5 (and hence with my mixed driver that includes some of its set ups)
- As EV controls only the values for its new features, you cannot change Exposure Compensation anymore (at least I could not figure out a way of doing that). So you end up with the same shutter speed for a fixed ISO value (and there's no way of using Spot Metering in Twilight mode to overcome that problem).
=> Summing it up, I guess that it could be a 'serious business' option when shooting @ NIGHT (both indoor and outdoor) with SLOW SHUTTER SPEED and NO FLASH under COMPLEX LIGHTING. Mind you that almost all my nightshots came from around my house; I will try to take some shots from somewhere else with even more different set ups than I did before, in order to provide you with more convincing arguments of how many options of fine color tuning we've got with this one. Besides, I guess IT CAN BE A GREAT DAYLIGHT SHOOTER, too. It's just a matter of getting used to the interface. I've got some great shots with DM 3.5, as you can see within my Picasa page, but some of them came out too saturated. Besides, I will not get the opportunity to come back at that place so soon, so I won't be able to offer a direct comparison based on thas location. I will try to take some more outdoor shots with it as soon as I can and then post them here. I am also in debit with some of you for some indoor shots, but I'll post some soon.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-09 21:27 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
wahehe15
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
Posts: 111
From: Senippilihp
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@vit
this is because DM's 3.8 still has bugs
we are expected to have two more drivers from DM if i'm not mistaken.
btw pinoy k b? |
riksilvers
Joined: May 13, 2009
Posts: 139
From: Otley, West Yorkshire, UK
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debranded my phone. Now I can see and use the new en.lng... 
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Vit
Joined: Nov 13, 2007
Posts: 279
From: Brazil
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More night shots and some night indoors @ a good old snooker bar. I reckon this is the best we can get with C905 when shooting indoors (untill someone figure out how to reach ISO 64 as for daylight pics in Auto mode):
Every Picture Tells a Story |
fangdue
Joined: Sep 23, 2009
Posts: 66
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who can teach me how to use the manual adjustment mode( ISO, Shuter speed...) in the D.M 3.8 cam driver.Thx all | |
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Posted: 2009-11-09 01:33
