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The Danish Mohammad cartoon row - what do you think? |
scotsboyuk
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An article in the Independent reports that a British Muslim newspaper has printed a cartoon Jewish people find offensive. You can read the article here.
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axxxr
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oh dear,I think now we are going to have a tit for tat scenario..what next?
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gelfen
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it's not about tit for tat. it's about treating others as you would like to be treated yourelf (a point i broadly made in the last post on page 13).
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axxxr
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gelfen i was refering to scotsboyuk's last post.
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JK
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On 2006-02-07 07:17:02, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2006-02-07 04:24:01, axxxr wrote:
Don't think they do otherwise they would'nt have gone ahead and published such articles!...islam does'nt have to be secretive,just that generally non-muslims fail to understand Islam thats why we have such a clash in the world against the two civilisations..fair point that it does'nt give anyone the right to commit violence,but having said that when you provoke someone by insulting someone who is so incredibly sacred to muslims.some people should undertand why a small minority of muslims would be angry and resort to violence.
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I think what you are missing here is the fact that whether or not the newspaper knew the cartoons would draw criticism from Muslims they had a right to publish them. The newspaper did not publish the cartoons in a deliberate attempt to attack Islam; if the newspaper had deliberately sought to attack Islam and cause trouble then that is a different matter.
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Scots 9 out the 12 cartoons published were Islamophobic!!
But one thing im not sure of, was there a relevance to the publishing of the pictures? Did it follow a story published or were they just random???
Coz randomly publishing 9 Islamophobic cartoons is asking for shit!!!
And the latest news is that Denmark is losing 5 million dollars a day to Iran alone because of this stint!! |
gelfen
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@axxxr: so was i
@786KBR: yes there was a point behind it, which you will see if you read my earlier post and one of the linked articles.
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scotsboyuk
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The reason I posted that link to the story in the Independent was because I believe it demonstartes a certain hypocrisy. A genuine question to be asked is whether the editor of the Muslim newspaper which printed that cartoon will defend the Danish newspaper which printed the cartoon of the Prophet?
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axxxr
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In this case Jews and Muslims are arch enemies...the gloves have always been off with these two.
Its a whole seperate debate Jews and muslims!....i wish i had four hands! 
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scotsboyuk
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I would also refer you to the article gelfen linked to. Here is the link. It explains the situation rather well I believe.
From my understanding of Islamic history the Jews were allied with the Prophet when they helped him attack the Meccans.
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axxxr
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Sorry but my knowledge on islamic history is very poor,but from what i do know is jews and muslims have never really trusted or liked each other for that matter...if i get the time from my busy shedule i'll do some digging around and see what i can come up with.
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gelfen
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posted verbatim from the blog of Tim Blair
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| ART CONTEST ANNOUNCED
Oh no! Just when we Westerners were thinking we’d won this round of the global cartoon wars, Iran tricks us with an ingenius surprise move:
Iran’s largest selling newspaper has announced it is holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
Why, we’ll be incinerating embassies and shooting each other like idiots by the end of the week. All Jew-controlled Westerners are powerless in the face of Holocaust cartoons!
"It will be an international cartoon contest about the Holocaust,” Farid Mortazavi, the graphics editor for Hamshahri newspaper, which is published by Tehran’s conservative-run municipality, said on Monday.
He said the plan was to turn the tables on the assertion that newspapers can print offensive material in the name of freedom of expression.
"The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let’s see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons,” he asserted.
Just try to stop me, Farid Mortazavi of Hamkablam newspaper! I’ll run as many of your Holocaust cartoons here as I can fit; they’ll likely be funnier than anything ever published in Jyllands-Posten. (By the way, exactly how many Western papers printed those sacrilegious Mo-toons? Wasn’t it only a dozen or so? Do you kind of get the feeling Iran is desperate to keep this issue boiling?) |
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original article here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/[....]F1B-4714-95F0-DD1F354F1D9A.htm
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JK
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 I didnt see that link!!
That Danish paper knew very well what they were getting themselves into!!!
I say they should suffer the consequences!!
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axxxr
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Like i said the tit for tit war has begun!..who would have thought a quite country like Denmark could have started something so big..they should have stuck to cheese making!
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On 2006-02-07 08:52:26, gelfen wrote:
posted verbatim from the blog of Tim Blair
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Oh no! Just when we Westerners were thinking we’d won this round of the global cartoon wars, Iran tricks us with an ingenius surprise move:
Iran’s largest selling newspaper has announced it is holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
Why, we’ll be incinerating embassies and shooting each other like idiots by the end of the week. All Jew-controlled Westerners are powerless in the face of Holocaust cartoons!
"It will be an international cartoon contest about the Holocaust,” Farid Mortazavi, the graphics editor for Hamshahri newspaper, which is published by Tehran’s conservative-run municipality, said on Monday.
He said the plan was to turn the tables on the assertion that newspapers can print offensive material in the name of freedom of expression.
"The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let’s see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons,” he asserted.
Just try to stop me, Farid Mortazavi of Hamkablam newspaper! I’ll run as many of your Holocaust cartoons here as I can fit; they’ll likely be funnier than anything ever published in Jyllands-Posten. (By the way, exactly how many Western papers printed those sacrilegious Mo-toons? Wasn’t it only a dozen or so? Do you kind of get the feeling Iran is desperate to keep this issue boiling?) </BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE><!-- BBCode Quote End -->
original article here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/[....]F1B-4714-95F0-DD1F354F1D9A.htm
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gelfen
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provoking debate and criticism is not the same as deliberately inciting violence, and i suspect you know that.
there is no justification (explanations perhaps, but no justifications) for the reaction that has resulted. especially since no other image of mohammed has prompted anything like it before.
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scotsboyuk
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@786
I hardly think that if the Danish newspaper had known that their printing of those cartoons would have caused a global protest against Denmark, Danish people losing their jobs, embassies being set on fire and worst of all people dying, that they would have printed them. In fact I believe the newspaper has said as much.
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