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Super G
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Interestingly enough  is making EDGE data cards... for the european and asian markets... | |
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-05-13 15:44:23, Super G wrote:
Interestingly enough is making EDGE data cards... for the european and asian markets...
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Not quite; EDGE is supported amongst other standars e.g. WCDMA. Aimed at business users who may be in different countries that use different standars e.g. one country uses EDGE the other uses WCDMA. Seems sensible enough to me.
An EDGE only data card would be next to useless in Europe.
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Funny enough, data transmision in a 3g and edge network,between 2phones (as in video-calling) is about the same at around 100-120kbps ! Only 3G supports the transfer protocols thou. While the upload speeds are about the same, the download speeds are 50% or so higher in a 3G network (if you are close enough to the repeater) in my country both technologies have been implemented and so far 3G is a total flop with almost no subscribers ! People are just not interested in video-calling.The cell company has dropped the price of a video call to the same level as a audio one and still there is not much interest so far. EDGE on the other hand seems to take of big time with all the gprs subscribers asking about it. And why not. It costs the same as GPRS is just much faster.EDGE is also catching up in Europe.Switzerland has already 98% country wide implementation ! Most of the European countries have at least One edge network and others are busy implementing it within this year !
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JK
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mario
almost no subscribers???
theres a couple 1000!!!!
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-05-13 15:57:44, mario2002 wrote:
... in my country both technologies have been implemented and so far 3G is a total flop with almost no subscribers ! People are just not interested in video-calling.The cell company has dropped the price of a video call to the same level as a audio one and still there is not much interest so far. EDGE on the other hand seems to take of big time with all the gprs subscribers asking about it. And why not. It costs the same as GPRS is just much faster.
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Precisely my point! The majority of customers don't seem terribly interested in such things as video calling at the moment and if EDGE is available and can given them fast data speeds for less money then it is easy to see why the networks would worry about implementing EDGE when they have committed so heavily to WCDMA.
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EDGE is also catching up in Europe.Switzerland has already 98% country wide implementation ! Most of the European countries have at least One edge network and others are busy implementing it within this year !
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Here is what the CEO of Swisscom Mobile said regarding EDGE, "EDGE makes it possible for us to provide a high-quality mobile broadband network to rural regions of the country as well," explains Carsten Schloter, CEO of Swisscom Mobile. However, we remain committed to UMTS as the technology of the future, and will continue to expand our UMTS network." The full article can be found here.
In other words EDGE is being viewed by the network in the manner I outlined in my earlier post, a stop gap measure to allow rural customers fast data speeds that will hopefully increase data revenue in areas WCDMA is still to reach.
The majority of countries where EDGE is available in Europe or where it is being trialled are the smaller markets. Where exactly is it that you are getting your information from?
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Buddy my info comes from the ground. I am a heavy user of IM (and only happy to add you too). I am not going into detail now but that much sad : If my Greek buddy is right his country is the latest European Country to introduce EDGE as you read this. Unlike UMTS not much fanfare is made when EDGE is introduced.Most people only know about it when their cell phones show the high speed link.I think most networks are still to embarrased to advertise EDGE. On the other hand Nokia,by far the top dog in the 3G market,is not really giving us staggering results about 3G handset sells.Actually Nokia themself together with Intel and another big semiconductor company are busy developing the successor of 3 (3.5) G. Its name is non other then WIMAX.By the looks of it in 2years at most we would have the first handsets.How would you like a 50mbps internet connection using your cell as a modem ?
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Wi-Max will not replace 3G - whilst we're on the subject of complementary technologies, that's exactly what those two.
And 2 years....I don't think so!
Your info "comes from the ground"? I'm afraid you need some serious credo to say things like that and get people to buy-in on that basis alone...
...name your sources dammit! 
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On 2005-05-13 20:16:30, mario2002 wrote:
Buddy my info comes from the ground.
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Such as?
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I am a heavy user of IM (and only happy to add you too).
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What does IM usage have to do with the price of fish? Any data medium would be fine for IM although it would probably work a bit better with EDGE/WCDMA.
Please do add me if you wish. 
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I am not going into detail now but that much sad : If my Greek buddy is right his country is the latest European Country to introduce EDGE as you read this. Unlike UMTS not much fanfare is made when EDGE is introduced.
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There wasn't much fanfare over 3G either (with the exception of 3, which was understandable since they were also advertising the inceptiopn of their network as a whole).
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I think most networks are still to embarrased to advertise EDGE.
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Or have no use for it. Orange in the UK has EDGE, but it is unlikely to ever actually be put to use. As far as I know it was in case 3G failed to work out.
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On the other hand Nokia,by far the top dog in the 3G market ...
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It is? As far as I can see the 3G market is heavily dominated, across Europe at any rate, by LG, NEC and Motorola as well as considerable input from SE. This is in no small part due to the fact that these manufacturers (with the exception of SE) have been used by 3, which was one of the first 3G networks in Europe.
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... is not really giving us staggering results about 3G handset sells.
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Nokia's product lineup is heavily dominated by 2.5G handsets so I would be surprised if 3G sales made up anything more than a fraction of their overall sales. There is also the fact that until late last year many of the big European networks had not launched their commercial 3G services. These are the networks, which sell the most Nokia handsets as compared with a network like 3.
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Actually Nokia themself together with Intel and another big semiconductor company are busy developing the successor of 3 (3.5) G.
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Actually 3.5G is HSDPA.
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Its name is non other then WIMAX.By the looks of it in 2years at most we would have the first handsets.How would you like a 50mbps internet connection using your cell as a modem ?
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A 50 mbps connection from my handset would be wonderful, but it is very unlikely to happen within two years! WCDMA, which was based upon exisiting infrastructures and technologies has taken longer than anticipated to roll out, imagine just how long something like Wi-Max will take to reach the level that WCDMA is at just now, or even the level GSM is at!
Wi-Max has been touted as a possible upgrade path for T-Mobile USA, but it is somewhat unlikely that Wi-Max will ever be a global standard for mobile communication. WCDMA is being pushed by the largest networks in the world in the most important markets in the world, it is almost inevitable that WCDMA will become the de facto world standard just as GSM has become.
What will replace WCDM is open to debate though; 4G perhaps?
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.Buddy whats about you and 3G ? I recall now a few months back you commented about 3G and how wonderfull it was/going to be in England/Europe while me trying to explain you that alternative technologies exist and in other parts of the world are doing better. 3G should have been nice but the standard is almost 10years old ! How many of your buddies are 3G connected ? Be honest with your self at least and face the facts.And Nokia are by far the leader in 3G handsets production and model wise.I don't like that and it looks like neither do you,but that's another fact :-( The huge American market intend on bypassing 3G altogether and the rest of the world are hastily looking for alternatives.I am an investor and trust me I wont bet on 3G unless a huge turn around happens which I very much doubt.The IM I am using to get 'of the ground' info on things developing, you understood me a bit wrong there :-) which IM program are you using?On yahoo I use 'marios_cell' MSN 'marios_cell@hotmail.com'
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-05-14 02:58:35, mario2002 wrote:
.Buddy whats about you and 3G ?
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It's part of the debate we are having in this thread, hence why I am discussing it.
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I recall now a few months back you commented about 3G and how wonderfull it was/going to be in England/Europe while me trying to explain you that alternative technologies exist and in other parts of the world are doing better. 3G should have been nice but the standard is almost 10years old ! How many of your buddies are 3G connected ? Be honest with your self at least and face the facts.
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The first part of your statement seems to be something of a quixotic mixture of resentment, gloating and ignorance of the situation.
No one has said that alternative technologies don't exist, that is in fact exactly what we are discussing. No one has denied that alternative technologies are doing better than 3G technologies in some parts of the world. What your point is I am not entirely sure, perhaps you do not have one?
I know at least six people with 3G handsets, not including myself.
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And Nokia are by far the leader in 3G handsets production and model wise.I don't like that and it looks like neither do you,but that's another fact 
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You seem to be deliberately ignoring the facts of the situation, either that or you are just plain ignorant. Nokia are not the market leader in terms of 3G handsets. The 3G market is actually very competitive at the moment with a variety of manufacturers all competing on relatively equal terms. Nokia has a few 3G handsets out at the moment, but it certainly has no where the dominance that it enjoys in the 2.5/.75G market.
As for my feelings on Nokia you seem to have made another error; you have mistaken me for someone who actually cares about it. Who leads the mobile phone market is really of little concern to me; I buy SE not because they are a market leader, but because I like them. Tetley could be leading the mobile market for I would care.
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The huge American market intend on bypassing 3G altogether and the rest of the world are hastily looking for alternatives.
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Gosh you do like to get your facts wrong don't you? The United States has already adopted 3G; Verizon currently uses CDMA 2000 and Cingular is preparing to implement HSDPA in addition to the UMTS deployments it inherited from AT&T. T-Mobile is committed to a WCDMA launch by 2007 and Rogers, in Canada, is also looking to launch UMTS services.
Incidentally, the American markets, whilst important, pale significantly when compared with China and Europe (and quite probably India within the next few years).
The 'rest of the world are hastily looking for alternatives' are they? Japan has already deployed 3G as has South Korea and most of Western Europe, not to mention the above American examples. Australia also has 3G as does Hong Kong. Where exactly is it that is 'desperately seeking alternatives'?
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I am an investor and trust me I wont bet on 3G unless a huge turn around happens which I very much doubt.
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Please someone remind me to never allow this chap to manage my portfolio.
Keep doubting all you want it won't change the hard facts. 3G is the future. The networks are implementing it. 2.5/.75G GSM and CDMA systems will be switched off within the next decade. 3/.5G will be the dominant standard.
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The IM I am using to get 'of the ground' info on things developing, you understood me a bit wrong there which IM program are you using?On yahoo I use 'marios_cell' MSN 'marios_cell@hotmail.com'
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That doesn't really answer my question though so I shall ask again; what exactly are these sources?
Incidentally I use MSN, which you can see from my profile.
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You are a interesting young chap to say the least. I hope to see you soon on MSN. You know the world and the world is yours (not meant to offend you buddy).How much I wish to be your age ;-) Greetings from a sunny South Africa. Mario
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I am recently returned from a tour of South Africa, I am already planning my return to your wonderful land.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2005-05-13 16:47:23, scotsboyuk wrote:
Here is what the CEO of Swisscom Mobile said regarding EDGE, "EDGE makes it possible for us to provide a high-quality mobile broadband network to rural regions of the country as well," explains Carsten Schloter, CEO of Swisscom Mobile. However, we remain committed to UMTS as the technology of the future, and will continue to expand our UMTS network." The full article can be found here.
In other words EDGE is being viewed by the network in the manner I outlined in my earlier post, a stop gap measure to allow rural customers fast data speeds that will hopefully increase data revenue in areas WCDMA is still to reach.
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1st my apologies if my quote editing is wrong.
This isnt and shouldn't be considered a stop gap. Their implementing EDGE for the same reason I've posted as a QoS option, and wider presence of data service options. Your post mentions that the telco chose EDGE because the very nature of WCDMA cannot reach rural areas without the added cost of repeaters & their leases for those locations. Then the cost of licensing... yes they may already have 3G license but for what spectrum & how many towers per area - by spectrum I mean by purchase spectrum not 3G 2100mhz bandwidth, but the actual purchase band 30Mhz or whathaveyou. I wish I could explain it better but I cant. Only example is in Canada Rogers Wireless along with every other carrier purchased new licenses for the next year, even though GPRS & EDGE operates at 850/1900Mhz here their actual purchased license mentions 20/30Mhz for certain areas of the country; this is what I'm refering too.
Besides in other European country's where EDGE is trialed, why is it trialed if 3G is so successful & EDGE isnt wanted? For stop gap reasons? Or until more leases for more umts towers could be purchased. EDGE has its place, to co-exist with wcdma; currently as QoS implemention, video calls or live video voicemail - a feature that will soon be widespread - wont work with gprs data rates, this is where EDGE would help.
btw lovely points of views this thread has produced. I hope no more insults arise as we're all more mature.
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Yes, quite. is selling EDGE/WLAN data cards for european market (900,1800 + 1900 for USroaming). And without 3G support. Check website if u like. Just to prove u wrong that in fact does sell EDGE products intended for european market. Now, why they dont sell phones, I dont know. At the same time, it is interesting to note Nokia is not having data cards anymore. EDGE is coming in laptops as a de facto technology (e.g sony vaio, so far targetttedfor US market), along with eg BT, WLAN that must be the reason.
Edit: and yes, having EDGE-only data cards wouldnt make sense, but my post referred to EDGE products for Europe (Not having WLAN in a datacard wouldnt make any sense, obviously)
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So I was slightly wrong about nokia, although they have quite a few EDGE phones in the higher segment many of them are very recent. But other companies seem to use edge less. I did a quick search on GSMarena in the phone finder. Required the phone to have edge, but left everything else as optional so the result included some cancelled phones and missed the S710 so the search wasn't totaly acurate but is a good example non the less. I found: 26 nokias, 13 motorolas,mostly not yet released, 3 Samsung, 1 siemens, 1 palmone, 1alcatel and 1 SE the Z500. Now when SE made the S710 they took out the FM radio and added an EDGE chip. Now would you like that that to happen with the K700? The S700 at least had MSD so you could use it as a MP3 player but with the K700 you'd rely more on listening to the radio. I suppose they could have still done it and also a K510 too. Maybe if people interested would send an email daily to SE to tell them to make a K710, K760, K510, K310 maybe we could convince them Although for me I think I'll just keep the radio. Also being in a country where I doubt people even use GPRS much and we're going to just jump to 3G. | |
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