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Dogmann
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Hi mib1800,
Actually i think it is the other way round to be honest Sony joined to give them Brand recognition with what was the great Sony name and used their Walkman and Cybershot names. Then stopped them from making them the best they could be just in case the took any sales from Sony.
If Ericsson were still alone they may not have as large a market share or 50% of current profits but i am willing to bet they would of still been producing a innovative and quality product.
Lets not forget Ericsson used to have B&O speakers and microphones in their phones and always had the best sonics. This was in a time before Music phones but can you imagine a B&O Ericsson Music phone either lacking volume or quality and yes that would of eaten into Sony's Music Player sales and most probably every one else's to and also been the best Music phones bar none.
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thecell
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In my country, K850i just 350 Euro, N95 470Euro., N82 500 Euro, and W910 295 Euro.
In Rupiah's , K850 4.350.000 , N95 6.000.000, N82 6.400.000, W910 3.750.000
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Just to update my whining thread, I went for the N95 8GB. It has almost everything I need.
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vegetaleb
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I got a N95 used but very clean(and full pack 2gb) for only 400$ means 280 euros!!!
So far it's a great phone in all fields! But to be honest I missed some SE things:
-Better photo quality at night shots
-Easiness of making great themes with SE theme maker,nokia's carbide suc**
-Battery life
-Menu speed
One major difference between a N95 and a K series and that many people forget to say is the built-in speakers,n95 stereo speakers are 3x louder and 5x clearer than any K phone!!!
Anyway I think I will buy a k850 once its price match the money I can get from selling my N95(2 months perhaps)
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On 2007-12-03 03:25:51, mib1800 wrote:
maybe all these problems of SE is due to internal squabbling.
Well, SONY owns 50% of the venture but gave everything that defines SE like cybershot and walkman. Ericsson just sits on its a** and get 50% of the profit. On top of that SE phones are cannabalising the sales of SONY camera and music player.
actually Ericsson gave a lot to SE including ergonomics and UI design, both aspects of the orginal Sony phones that were lacking imho.
Now SE is it's own company, so apart from branding it's hard to see what is Ericsson and what is Sony influence. But Ericsson also contributes a lot in terms of network and communications expertise and technology, an area in which Sony have virtually zero to offer. Don't forget Ericsson are not sitting on their arse, they are a big player in the telecommunications market. They supply network infrastructure to many of Europe's leading service providers.
You could say the multimedia aspect of SE phones is primarily Sony, and the radio/communications side of SE phones is primarily Ericsson.
There is a tendency to think of SE as simply a branch of Sony, but this is not the case. Ericsson still have a very active role in the partnership.
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jmcomms
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Yes, Ericsson still make the hardware platform that is used in some (not all) SE handsets, plus those of rival manufacturers. And, having reviewed Sony handsets over the years, I can confirm that they were AWFUL.
Sony has in recent years been struggling with various consumer electronic products, and relying heavily on branding and reputation. Until recently they didn't make good TVs, HiFis and their SatNavs are pretty bad too. The PSP didn't go as well as planned (is the PS3 either?) and their reliance on proprietary standards hasn't helped. When they started to support MP3 on music players, and now start to allow the use of microSD cards in their handsets (K850i here and a few in Japan) it shows that as a company, both Sony and SE, are adapting.
The problem is that SE is letting itself go a little. They do need to cut production costs to compete with Nokia, for sure, but they've got to cut costs - not quality. They can't get away without proper testing and development either.
Fingers crossed 2008 will be better. For a start, their UIQ products should be given a massive boost by new features and design. Watch this space!
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dandyqb
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k850i is older than n82, so let's wait to SE's answer to rival with this phone...maybe k860i, P5i or w980i, who knows... 
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se_dude
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or maybe the k850i with a better firmware.. |
BBS
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On 2007-12-01 12:37:12, jmcomms wrote:
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The P990 was salvaged, eventually, and I believe the K850 will be too - but it's going to have an impact, without a doubt.
And there speaketh a fanboy!!
I don't think P990 was salvaged! Are you kidding? |
AD
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I think it's strange that SE don't combine all their best features, from all theirt devices, into a single handset. This could be marketed as a flagship phone that is also a demonstrator for their specialised ranges, and hence a marketing tool in itself. I also belive such a device would sell well to tech fanatics (I'd certainly be interested), as well as to rich idiots due to it's cool/wow/kudos factor.
In the same way that ferrari etc. keep people interested in cars, let's have a no expense spared, ultra high quality device that the world can drool over. Some would say that apple has this with the iphone, but I believe they made a mistake by placing too many restrictions on its use. |
jmcomms
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You mean like they did in the early days with the T68/T68i, the P800 and the T610? All models offering features that had Nokia looking on in awe? At the time Nokia had tiny square screens, Bluetooth was reserved for high end devices and their first S60 phone didn't even have memory expansion. The user interface Nokia was using also looked horribly dated as a simple system was completely incapable of managing loads of new features. Now, let's not pretend that Nokia couldn't do all of the things SE were doing (and look how they took S60 to where it is today), but they chose not to at the time and that gave SE the foot in the door they needed.
Now, five years on, SE is starting to try and be clever and restrict features to create different market segments. All the time they do this, they forget the type of user that wants it all.
I've said to SE that it's fine to brand a handset Cyber-shot, or Walkman but give them both the same features (like the K750 and W800). Have one to look more like a camera, with themes to match, and another to look like a Walkman - just as they make one Bluetooth watch in three different versions to suit varying tastes. Who will complain if they have a SE branded phone that has Cyber-shot and Walkman in the menu when selecting the camera and media player respectively?
Doesn't SE appreciate that their user base has been made up of people wanting mid to high end models purely because that's what they were given for the last five years? Nokia would kill to get these people (and handsets like the N95 did pretty well). Sure, SE want to get more low end users and cash in on emerging markets, but how could they forget the people that got them where they are today?
SE has always attracted the people that felt let down by Nokia and the others, but now Nokia has done an excellent job with the Nseries range. Apple tried to come in with its own limited offering and the near failure in Europe (admittedly partly down to cost too) suggests we want more from our handsets. Apple will learn from this and the next iPhone is bound to be fantastic. Will SE be learning from the last 18 months?
(And, the P990 was never going to become perfect - the lack of memory saw to that - but firmware updates did at least make it usable. Now we're hoping to see the same happen to the K850i... shocking to see history repeat itself!)
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darrengf
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I never thought that I would be ever writing in this Topic and agreeing with people.
I have been a SE loyal fan since the T68i and always were impressed with SE offerings. I like there designs, featues and ideas (Always Fresh) SE always offered me what Nokia or any other manufacture couldnt.
However when they released the K850 I had high hopes for it. High hopes indeed.
Im now on my 5th K850i and although this one is much better than the other 4. Now its just a phone (I thought i would never say that)
The K850i is yes slightly better that the K800 but there is nothing new or exciting about the phone any more. The excitement has gone due to all the problems with it.
Screen problems, Keyboard problems, Dust problems, Software is shocking to say the least and more problems.
Camera is good, but thats only when it works. Video recording is below par for a flagship model and video playback is below par for playback (Its out of Sync) even with new firmware
What has gone wrong at SE. A company that used to inspire Technology is now no different or slightly worse to the rest.
Im sorry to say, that people in SE now need a reshuffle big time. Its time to see some new faces in the company.
Software on the phone is also a big big problem. However only now there is starts of software updates. Why not before. This is a flagship phone that is shockingly poor. It just doesnt work.
The build quality on the phone is crap. Im sorry to say but my old phones have lived to tell another day, this phone i give a year at max.
I am a loyal SE person, but i am considering selling it to get a Nokia N82. The phone offers alot more for the money, Nokia seems to be doing things right and ok the battery life may not be as good. But at present thats the only thing that is good with the K850i.
Never thought i would say this but it may be time to jump ship and show SE.
Alhough i think they may know that. If you go on the internet there really isnt much praise for the phone at all. |
MWEB
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Well yeah, i had a K850i for about 10 days and hated every minute with it, on the other hand i also have a W580i/W880i/W950i that i am quite content with, and i look forward to owning a W960i ASAP.
I never jumped ship to the N95 mainly because i was aware of the huge price differentials that exist between Nokia products in the UK and in the US/middle east and Asia.
We in the UK pay on average 40% more for Nokia devices than our friends those regions, i have an accute aversion to being suckered in to paying over the odds, no matter HOW good a phone is.
Strangely enough, SE products tend to be cheaper and more popular in the UK and Northern Europe than anywhere else, thus still making them an attractive buy.
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jmcomms
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I've got a T68 (gold), T610 and a K700 lying around at work and they still work (even the T68 that hadn't been charged for about two years). They feel a damn sight more solid than the modern stuff.
In fact, I forget how cool the T68 was. It's still quite small, has the rubberised back that all of a sudden seems to be seen as special (since Motorola put it on the PEBL and then SE reintroduced it on the W880) and had all of the features offered at the time, except polyphonic ringtones.
Okay, so modern handsets won't necessarily have the same 'wow' factor because we've now got music, video, pictures, games etc etc.. and while they can all get better, it's hard to invent something completely brand new. Data gets faster, but that will never be quite as amazing as when we got Bluetooth, or GPRS with 'always on' connectivity. Now it's about improving the experience, and SE needs to work hard on this.
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darrengf
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I luv my T68i. Its solid, it doesnt creak and feels like a phone should be and it still looks like new.
I even luv the 256 colour screen. Technology
Oh and the photo was taken with the K850i on Auto.
See the phone can take good pics some times
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