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anonymuser
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Intriguingly, the forthcoming iPhone OS3 apparently includes tools for video editing and uploading to Youtube etc http://www.tuaw.com/2009/04/0[....]o-include-video-editing-tools/
Since these are "unnannounced" features and would be useless on the current video-recording-less iPhone and iPhone 3G, it's pretty much confirmation that the next version of the hardware (likely to hit the shops in June at the same time as OS3's release for all the existing handsets) will have an updated, reasonably decent camera capable of video.
So that's copy and paste, MMS, SMS forwarding, internet tethering, stereo bluetooth, the option of turn-by-turn satnav and other more advanced apps, and (for the new models) a better camera with video recording, all wrapped up in that UI and OS that's still years ahead of most of the competition.
Way to stay relevant, iPhone 
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Bhavv
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On 2009-04-06 10:21:23, bavlondon2 wrote:
On 2009-04-06 02:50:01, Bhavv wrote:
So, I just realised that the LG Arena is not actually influenced by the iPhone at all, it is actually a direct improvement of the LG Prada, which was in fact released before the iPhone.
Boinng's comments that the Arena would not have existed without the iPhone are total BS, the Arena may be similar to the iPhone, but the iPhone was the model actually copying LG's Prada, and the Arena was just a natural step up from their previous model.
I really wonder why the iPhone is never noticed or commented on as a LG Prada clone / rip off then?
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/
"The iPhone of Apple Computer is allegedly a clone of a handset made by the Seoul-based LG Electronics, the world’s fifth-largest cell phone manufacturer," Kim Tae-gyu reports for The Korea Times.
. 'At first glance, we recognized the iPhone shares many form factors with the Prada phone. We are flattered that other makers follow our design policy,'
Very old news, but as I were never previously interested in LG, I never noticed.
So the Arena is just a successor to LG's own previous models, from which the iPhone actually copied. Yet its funny how the iPhone reaches 'revolutionary' status, just because it was advertised as such.
Yes the prada was due to come out anyway as it was announced before but are you seriously telling me the Arena is not influenced by iphone? The UI layout is a total copy.
Why are you constantly trying to prove your phone is superior to iphone? Who are you trying to convince?
[ This Message was edited by: bavlondon2 on 2009-04-06 09:22 ]
Im not trying to convince anyone, but this thread is supposed to be trying to prove the iPhone is relevant, when all it ever has been is a clone of other phones, lacking basic features for over 18 months (I would consider it obviously irrelevant all the time prior to OS3, which by the way still isnt released yet), yet it is still considered relevant and better than other handsets by some.
I do firmly believe that LG were completely capable of designing their new UI entirely on their own. They already had touch screens before Apple did, their obvious progression was to improve upon their own models.
Just because two things are similar does not mean that one copied or was influenced by the other, but people just want to keep on finding more ways and excuses to make the iPhone more relevant and better in their opinion.
I dont need to do anything to prove that the Arena is a better phone, the review posted before with the comment 'wipes the floor with the iPhone' pretty much sums it up.
I dont believe that the UI has ever determined one piece of hardware as any better or more relevant than another. Nor does OS3 make the iPhone more relevant, all the update will do is give the iPhone the simple basic features that just about every other phone already has, what a big freaking deal!
If anyone thinks that having to wait 18 months to get bluetooth, copy paste, MMS, and video capture functioning on a phone makes it more relevant or better then other phones, they are deluded.
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On 2009-04-06 17:28:26, Bhavv wrote:
I dont need to do anything to prove that the Arena is a better phone, the review posted before with the comment 'wipes the floor with the iPhone' pretty much sums it up.
Is that the one that calls the Arena a smartphone (which it isn't, by any measure) but then goes on to point out that "the iPhone didn't become an all-conquering champion because of its feature set. It managed to make smart-phone features that have been around for years, like the mobile Web and touchscreen, work effortlessly -- and that's where the Arena falls down."
Here's the conclusion of that review in full:
Conclusion
The LG Arena KM900 is a scrappy challenger to the iPhone's touchscreen title, but it can't beat the heavyweight when it comes to the secret of its success: usability. We can't fault the Arena's amazing wealth of features, but all those features come at a cost: the user interface sometimes feels slow and the battery life is terrible. Our sample handset didn't even make it through one day of normal use without needing a charge.
If you're looking for a touchscreen phone and you can't live without features such as an FM radio, the Arena is worth a look. But you'll need to be patient to put up with some of its performance issues, like the laggy keypad response.
I'll keep saying this - I've nothing against the Arena - but a serious competitor to the iPhone it ain't, and everyone can see that but you Bhavv.
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Bhavv
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[quote]I'll keep saying this - I've nothing against the Arena - but a serious competitor to the iPhone it ain't, and everyone can see that but you Bhavv.[quote]
It might not be to you, but just wait and see how many units the Arena and upcoming GD900 sell.
The review does state in its conclusion 'If you are looking for an iPhone with better features, then this could be the Phone for you'.
I think that everyone with basic common sense can see that the Arena is a competitor to the iPhone, whether or not you want to accept it, many many people are going to be buying the Arena instead of an iPhone. |
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imho anyone with basic common sense would see the Pre as a true competitor to the iPhone
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Bhavv
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It can have several competitors of course, the pre still isnt released yet though. |
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On 2009-04-06 19:30:24, whentheleveebreaks wrote:
imho anyone with basic common sense would see the Pre as a true competitor to the iPhone
That's what I've been saying that no other phone out there can compete with the Iphone in terms of that now famous and excellent UI except the Pre.
The Arena may be loaded with features but where it fails (as even the review states) is the UI. The ease with which the Iphone performs is unrivalled. i am really, really looking forward to it (Iphone) being put against its real rival, the Pre. |
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On 2009-04-06 18:15:48, Bhavv wrote:
The review does state in its conclusion 'If you are looking for an iPhone with better features, then this could be the Phone for you'.
Where does it say that? Seriously, the conclusion to the review is exactly as copied and pasted in my post above. But if it does say that somewhere, I'm betting they meant to put the emphasis on "could".
I think that everyone with basic common sense can see that the Arena is a competitor to the iPhone, whether or not you want to accept it, many many people are going to be buying the Arena instead of an iPhone.
Perhaps I used the wrong word, in the sense that any phone competes with every other phone on the market then yes, the Arena is an iPhone competitor, as was the Prada you're suddenly so fond of before it. But is it a serious challenger to the title? Will it be more relevant than the iPhone in a year's time?was the Prada more relevant than the iPhone last year? No. Of course not.
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MWEB
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On 2009-04-06 19:30:24, whentheleveebreaks wrote:
imho anyone with basic common sense would see the Pre as a true competitor to the iPhone
I'm a tad short on the above, so could you expand on that opinion
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SloopJohnB
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The Pre is Palm's newest model. It borrows a LOT from the iPhone in terms if UI like: dock, multitouch, gestures, "moveable" desktop icons, multiple and swipeable destoks, double tap on browser, lists with inertia, etc etc etc. The Pre was developed with the help of apple's former engineers and by looking at it, UI , look and feel and aesthetics, it's no wonder people are saying apple might sue Palm.
The Pre however is more "evolved". It tries to have everything the iPhone's UI has plus all it lacks like accessable multitasking, powerful IM, disk mode and etc. To achieve all that Palm had to make an OS that's based on Linux but runs "web-code" apps only. It's in theory very light and fast but also less powerful because web-code doesn't go as deep in the system or hardware as unix code for example.
Time will tell of Palm will be able to drive web-code development to heavy and powerful levels and if apple will be able to enrich its UI to include all that the Pre has.
2009 will be an exciting year.
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What worries me about the Pre, is that, yeah, they have a big following in the US, but they have almost zero sales, Kudos and fanbase outside the states.
I have never encountered a Palm user outside a US forum, i suspect those stats will hamstring the Pre, no matter HOW good it might be
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bavlondon2
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On 2009-04-06 14:42:31, Boinng wrote:
Intriguingly, the forthcoming iPhone OS3 apparently includes tools for video editing and uploading to Youtube etc http://www.tuaw.com/2009/04/0[....]o-include-video-editing-tools/
Since these are "unnannounced" features and would be useless on the current video-recording-less iPhone and iPhone 3G, it's pretty much confirmation that the next version of the hardware (likely to hit the shops in June at the same time as OS3's release for all the existing handsets) will have an updated, reasonably decent camera capable of video.
So that's copy and paste, MMS, SMS forwarding, internet tethering, stereo bluetooth, the option of turn-by-turn satnav and other more advanced apps, and (for the new models) a better camera with video recording, all wrapped up in that UI and OS that's still years ahead of most of the competition.
Way to stay relevant, iPhone
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-04-06 14:10 ]
Actually wasnt there another story recently saying that the new iphone and iphone 3g would have video recording enabled with the new fw. Although not the original iphone.
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Bhavv
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Where does it say that? Seriously, the conclusion to the review is exactly as copied and pasted in my post above. But if it does say that somewhere, I'm betting they meant to put the emphasis on "could".
The lady in the video says it!
You did watch the video right? I guess not.
On 2009-04-06 20:51:28, SloopJohnB wrote:
The Pre is Palm's newest model. It borrows a LOT from the iPhone in terms if UI like: dock, multitouch, gestures, "moveable" desktop icons, multiple and swipeable destoks, double tap on browser, lists with inertia, etc etc etc. The Pre was developed with the help of apple's former engineers and by looking at it, UI , look and feel and aesthetics, it's no wonder people are saying apple might sue Palm.
And just how much did the iPhone borrow from other phones at the time? Oh yea, they just copy the Prada, slap on OSX, spend 2.5 years making the multitouch, 'Wa-hey, we reinvented the phone by copying LG but adding multitouch'.
Oh wait, Apple put a web browser on their phone, maybe every other manufacturer should sue apple for having a web browser. Or for the camera. Or how about because it makes calls? Or because it plays MP3's? Apple stole the idea of making a phone from everyone else, OMG lets sue them!
The moral here is that Apple cant do shit if other manufacturers begin to use multitouch and gestures, they already borrowed everything else from other handsets, you cant freaking patent a multitouch screen!
Cool picture found:
Made me laugh. Well, I suppose that the iPhone is more relevant then a rock at least.
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SloopJohnB
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The iPhone has little or nothing to do with Prada. Don´t go saying things without real knowledge of both models. Prada was an ´all touch´ device but LG did it for fashion, for looks, nothing more. It didn´t have nothing new or special in terms of interface, hardware, software, OS, code and etc. Apple was developing a touch-based phone at the same time for mainly ´FUNCTIONAL´ reasons instead of looks. It introduced a new interface, a new view and organization of what a mobile OS structure should be, it introduced gestures, interactive UI elements like never before, multi-touch, ´smart´ touches and etc etc. Apple also took mobile software to a higher level by adding Mac OS X´s core to a phone plus a bunch of its codes like core audio, core video and etc. The same stuff that runs on a Mac was running suddenly a low-powered handheld device.
Prada was nothing more than a ´dumb´ phone with enphasis on looks and fashion. One has nothing to do with the other.
Now, about the Pre, which you are probably ignorant about but that doens´t stop you for saying rubbish as always. Pre was developed with the help of ´apple´ and much of its interface is totally equal like browsing, smart taps, smart lists and etc. And YES, apple have patented these things but due to the fact that a legal war is always harmful to both sides and probably apple think they can still beat the pre without suing Palm, we havent seen apple take action. |
anonymuser
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On 2009-04-06 22:18:36, Bhavv wrote:
The lady in the video says it!
You did watch the video right? I guess not.
Okay, you got me there. Just between you and me, I wasn't that interested 
And just how much did the iPhone borrow from other phones at the time? Oh yea, they just copy the Prada, slap on OSX, spend 2.5 years making the multitouch, 'Wa-hey, we reinvented the phone by copying LG but adding multitouch'.
How did they copy the Prada in September 2006 and then spend "2.5 years" adding multitouch and "slapping on" OSX before going public in January 2007?
Can you put OSX on a Prada in any amount of time? I'm guessing not.
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