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gelfen
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it is as inevitable as the tao.
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scotsboyuk
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One last Star Wars link, if I post more I shan't stop. 
Here is an article by a Muslim chap who wants to be a Jedi.
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Ok just one more, I promise.
The last article I linked to compares Islam, in some respects, with the Force. This article compares Taoism with the Force.
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gelfen
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there's a lot of star wars related material on that site but i don't think it's applicable for this discussion, except possibly this one:
The Force is with…Everyone
which gives real descriptions of how various people identify elements of the jedi mythos with their own faith.
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@gelfen
It is perhaps interesting to note that various faiths do identify parts of the Star Wars mythos with their own beliefs.
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interesting but not terribly surprising if you remember that the point of the jedi was to create a religion which was universally identifiable. while "the force" is rooted in taoism, other elements of the jedi code are taken from a variety of sources.
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@gelfen
Yes, but it still surprises me that so many people would choose to identify their own faith with a fictional religion/philosophy.
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gelfen
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i don't believe that it is entirely fictional though. in very many ways it is a real philosophy, the tenets of which a majority of religions would agree with to a greater or lesser degree. peace, tranquility, truth, honour, justice, attunement with the world around you, defending the innocent and taking a stand against evil are values that pretty much every religion holds to some extent, even if not in those exact terms.
the fictional part is only in the setting, the names and the mystical abilities, but i would argue that the "religion" itself is quite real at least in concept.
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BlueQuill
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Religion is not the only way to attain spiritual enlightenment, or the truth. Religion is something like science, created by us for our own muse.
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duncanb99
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Religion is nothing like science.
Science is based upon creating testable theories. If testing proves a theory to be incorrect a new theory is formulated and tested. This is called empiricism.
Religious ideas by definition are untestable, and unproveable. It all comes down to faith. |
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Religion and science are both a quest for what we do not know, what we cannot comprehend. Both attempt to answer these questions.
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gelfen
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but they make that attempt by vastly different routes.
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BlueQuill
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Both are two important aspects of human life.
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duncanb99
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If you want answers to the contradictions that were mentioned, please ask the questions Here and let us know the answers if possible. I am a student who knows the whole Quran by heart but the questions that were asked need to be asked to a higher level scholar who is available on the link.
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Peter, it sounds like your avoiding the question again really!
Since you probably meet more Qu'ranic scholars than I do maybe you could ask and post the answer here? You were the one who started highlighting inconsistancies in the bible after all. As Gelfen says, if you know the Qu'ran by heart has it never occurred to you ask about these inconsistancies yourself?
There has been earlier discussion of idolatry, but it seems that Islam idolises the Qu'ran in a way. It is put on a high shelf with nothing above it, covered in cloth etc. At the end of the day its a book, written by man, even if the words came from God.
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All (so called) Contradictions in The Quran answered:
This paper is not in defence of the personal interpretations of any Muslim scholar or another, such as Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas or Al-Suyuti, nor is it in defence of the behaviour of certain Muslims, their traditions, their cultures, or their translations of the Quran for all these fields are not free from errors. This report is only in defence of the Quran, for only the Quran, being the true word of God, is free of error. Hadith is a known false doctrine that is used many times by those who want to attack Islam, not realizing that Quran itself commanded us, not to accept any Hadith but the Quran.
Another matter that needs clarification is concerned with the issue of Abrogation in the Quran. Although this issue was originally invented by corrupt Muslim scholars, it is apparent that their fabrication has now back fired on them. The lie of Quranic Abrogation is the prime tool used by non Muslims on their attack on the Quran.
Genuine believers in the Quran reject the concept of Quranic abrogation, since God describes the Quran as perfect and free from contradictions.
The following pages have all contradictions answered, scroll down on each page and read the answers:
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Verse 37/38 from Chapter 10 states:
This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of revelations that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call to your aid anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
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