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PeterKay
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The Quran is a Message from Allah to humanity. It was transmitted to us in a chain starting from the Almighty Himself to the angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). This message was given to the Prophet (pbuh) in pieces over a period spanning approximately 23 years (610 CE to 622 CE). The Prophet (pbuh) was 40 years old when the Quran began to be revealed to him, and he was 63 when the revelation was completed. The language of the original message was Arabic, but it has been translated into many other languages.
The Quran is one leg of two which form the basis of Islam. The second leg is the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh). What makes the Quran different from the Sunnah is primarily its form. Unlike the Sunnah, the Quran is quite literally the Word of Allah, whereas the Sunnah was inspired by Allah but the wording and actions are the Prophet's. The Quran has not been expressed using any human's words. Its wording is letter for letter fixed by no one but Allah.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the final Messenger of Allah to humanity, and therefore the Quran is the last Message which Allah has sent to us. Its predecessors such as the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels have all been superceded. It is an obligation - and blessing - for all who hear of the Quran and Islam to investigate it and evaluate it for themselves. Allah has guaranteed that He will protect the Quran from human tampering, and today's readers can find exact copies of it all over the world. The Quran of today is the same as the Quran revealed to Muhammad (pbuh).
If the Quran is indeed the Word of God, then it is incumbent upon us to ascertain what should be its position in our lives, and our response to its truthfulness and greatness. Only if we comprehend the true position and true value of the Quran can we expect to derive the blessings which descend in abundance on he who knows the Word of God. What does not have any value or price attached to it; man consigns to some corner, does not spend time on, and uses it as a lifeless decorative piece. However, the object which one values and prizes, that is how much he keeps it near him at all times. He dies in his love for it and devotes himself in entirety to it.
Allow me to briefly discuss this great book so we may be able to comprehend its true station. This book is the completion of that promise of our Lord which he vowed upon dispatching man into the world: "When there comes to you a guidance from me, whosoever follows my guidance, then on them there shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" (2:38).
When the first man, the Prophet Adam, was tested by God, he failed, due to the weaknesses which were made to inhere in the constitution of man: forgetfulness, weakness of will, and getting seduced by the wiles of Satan. Man is a frail and weak creature, as God says: "And man was created weak" (4:28). Naturally, when Adam slipped in the first test, he must have experienced sadness, fear, and despair. But the reason behind Adam’s creation was to dispatch him to the earth as God’s vicegerent. Thus, he was assured by God of continuing guidance, and of eternal freedom of sadness and despair, as long as he followed this guidance.
The Quran is the book which, in the great battle between good and evil and in the lifetime preparation for the final reckoning, the day on which the entire creation will be in despair, provides a pleasant shade and pillar of support, a weapon, a source of salvation, and a straight and protected path which leads to success.
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joebmc
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If natural disasters are caused by Allah why does he choose his follows (Muslims) to feel his wrath rather then westerners? I mean look at Britain, we very rarely every get stuck by massive natural disasters and we are (were) a Christian state.
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PeterKay
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Thats a good point, but there is every possibility that it can happen here and i just pray that it doesn't. In a few seconds he can hurt most of the land if he wills. Whether its the UK or Austrailia, he owns the land and he decides whats what.
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slattery69
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i wont aim this just at peter as it seems a common theme though the major religions in the world.
do you feel comfortable believing in a so called all loving all knowing all powerful god.
that on a whim will strike down innocent people using weather, forms of cancer (which arent self inflicted) and other diseases ie geneic flaws- an indication of bad design by the creator
i dont see how the 2 can marry together. so how as religious people do you manage to over come these discrepancies is it literaly that you just have enough faith to ignore them? |
PeterKay
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I guess it boils down to how much faith you have on your religion. What i believe as a Muslim is whatever good or bad happens it is done by the creator himself. He is the best judge and only he knows best regarding all affairs.
Verse 26 from Chapter 3 states:
Say: "O Allah. Lord of Power And Rule, Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.
Very true indeed, he has power over all things, only he can give honour and give low to the people.
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slattery69
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well if it works you i think thats fine. i struggle to get my head round the two differences, but i for one respect the fact that you have your beliefs and also the fact that you didnt shy away from the questions posed as some many religious people often do. its also nice that the thread has got back on track and a little more respect is been shown. |
PeterKay
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Only if there were more understanding people like you on this thread  . It's not easy when people fire questions from all directions but when you have a guide such as the Glorious Quran to relate from it becomes very easy to answer the questions posed.
I will not shy away because i believe very strongly in my faith and i pray that i stay in the same way till the day the angel of death comes to take away my soul. (which is not far away).
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joebmc
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@PK
What do you believe in more your God or the Quran?
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slattery69
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in islam (from what i remember of my studies of it) the quran is the word of god dictated to the prophet and un altered.
as the word of god it is to be up held and believed however in islam nothing or noone can be praised higher than allah hence no pictures or statues exists as to worship them would be to detract from allah himself.
i would say no muslim should put anything above god and the quran would be followed but only god worshiped |
Gigs
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On 2005-10-18 15:40:24, slattery69 wrote:
i wont aim this just at peter as it seems a common theme though the major religions in the world.
do you feel comfortable believing in a so called all loving all knowing all powerful god.
that on a whim will strike down innocent people using weather, forms of cancer (which arent self inflicted) and other diseases ie geneic flaws- an indication of bad design by the creator
i dont see how the 2 can marry together. so how as religious people do you manage to over come these discrepancies is it literaly that you just have enough faith to ignore them?
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I think that's one of the early things that turned me away from any organised religion. I don't attribute absolutely everything being in control of some superior minded puppet master out there.
To me there would have be to a balance, whilst someone may lay waste and sunder people, land etc, you'd also think that any superior minded being would also dish out the opposite too. But there is absolutely no signs of that. Unless "letting" us live is that reward in which case just strike down the world now because whats the point in being some bullys play toy?
I think the other thing that turned me off about the idea was the fact all that seemed to be offered was the hope I would go on after death. As much as people can theorise and hope texts are right for religion (s'why its called faith ) and just guess if they aren't religous, Whatever happens after death happens. We'll find out then. Until then, it sounds just like insurance. "You may need it in the future, so its best to get it now eh?"
The main staplehold of religion is faith, faith in what is written and that what is written and taught to you is RIGHT. Anything that contradicts that is wrong, and thus your faith will hold and perservere you through any storm or test that god see's fit to throw at you. Myself, I couldn't resolve to believe that at all.
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solidsingh
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what does the quran say about converting people or refusing other peoples religions ey?
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PeterKay
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On 2005-10-18 21:28:28, joebmc wrote:
@PK
What do you believe in more your God or the Quran?
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The Quran is Gods word, so God is first always.
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amnesia
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as I said, we do not refuse all religions.
Of course each religion will say they are the best and if you are true to your faith you will believe in it above all else.
In Islam we believe in all other religions by God. Christianity, Judiasm and so on.
We just dont act similarly.
@slattery,
My mum is Christian my dad is Muslim they respect each others faiths and do not interfere.
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On 2005-10-18 22:55:58, Gigs wrote:
To me there would have be to a balance, whilst someone may lay waste and sunder people, land etc, you'd also think that any superior minded being would also dish out the opposite too. But there is absolutely no signs of that. Unless "letting" us live is that reward in which case just strike down the world now because whats the point in being some bullys play toy? |
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but surely living - and i mean really living - is the balance? too few people appreciate the blessings of life. the opposite of wholesale death and suffering is the birth of a child, the kindness of strangers, spending time with friends and family, the look on someone's face when you help them out in time of need. nobody appreciates the world any more. there are sweeping landscapes, burning sunsets and glorious coastlines to be enjoyed. even the touch of wind on your cheek and the changing seasons are things to be revelled in.
far too many people, myself included, take the simple fact of being for granted. it becomes a chore. the struggles we face are not an obstacle to life, they ARE life. they are how we learn, grow and evolve to be better - both as individuals and as a race.
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PeterKay
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Verse 27 from Chapter 31 states:
And if all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean were ink, with seven oceans behind it to add to its supply, yet would not the words of Allah be exhausted in the writing: for Allah is Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom.
He is the Greatest, He is the most powerful, To him belong all the beautiful names, He is the Sustainer, He is the Master, All praise is for Allah and to him is our final return.
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