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sapporobaby
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Why cry about EDGE when 3G is faster?
I don't get it. If you don't like the phone, don't start a thread and cry about it. Just don't buy the friggin phone.
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Yazan24
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| IMHO, SE is getting worse in their mobile phone market.. |
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Very true but not for the reasons you stated.
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| 1. Products are not well designed, take K600, S600 and W600 as examples. The S series r declined to Japan designs..Those SO series. |
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I agree with you in this point, the new handsets are not as flashy and attractive as the S700, T610 etc. Although Japanese handsets are very flashy, the mix isn't as attractive to me, not sure about the rest of you.
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| 2. Announced new products in a not very systematic time intervals (Announced the S600, W600 after the K750 is being announced; Holding the W800 market which is no difference with K750). Lack of marketing strategies! |
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Actually they release at key quarters where the market is usually at a high. Also releasing two similar products at different times is known as product differentiation which maximizes sales in various ways.
A) Instead of having 100 K750i's sold, they reduce that to 75, the 25 who dont buy a K750i are likely to buy a W800 because they're holding out, and 25 existing K750i users may also buy the W800. Also the new release date attracts new potential customers who werent prepared to buy the K750i so thats another 25.
So instead of 100, you get 75+75.
B) Releasing similar phones is a marketing technique that nokia uses. Releasing similar phones in different categories (Differentiated by marketing skills) increases sales because stupid consumers (Theres a sucker born every minute) think the W800 is better although it is almost identical to the K750i, and it makes it seem that SE have a larger product variety.
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| 3. SE ignores the EDGE technology. I don't know why they always overlook EDGE which will not hurt by having it in their phones. |
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Z500, S710a, Phones with edge are released to the american market as they dont have 3G, SE choose to ignore EDGE in the european market for some reason, but it is not much of a set back.
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They usually release Pxxx phones yearly, and the only reason we hear about them sooner is due to the leakages and rumors. But clearly from the W600 and S600 they've been able to keep the products under wraps.
Also every Px00 usually follows a K or formerly T series phone, due to the release of similar K and W phones, the P will most likely come after both, as the P design is usually similar to that of the K.
T68i -> P800
K700-> P910 similar Keypad etc.
So get stronger points and I'll agree with you.
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nitesh
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@ya.. i do agree with you on some points. Btw does s600 really have edge. Also there are no CDMA phones from SE, why?!
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EastCoastStar
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i think SE needs to make the same exact phones, but CDMA.
also, abotu my previous post, i am a little outdated, still on a t630  getting a s710 friday though 
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They stopped their CDMA production a long time ago. I would guess because of profitability, something they were trying to achieve no?
Maybe its also an operator thing, as we've seen Vodafone and T-mobile have obviously gone after them for operator specific handsets, why shouldn't CDMA ones chase them too? 
Wouldn't the biggest CDMA market left be the US? Where as people (and friends I speak to there) have attested they pretty much just go for a phone that calls people rather than all the additional features?  might sell alot , but then again they might not there either. |
darky
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On 2005-06-15 21:12:22, S4k1s wrote:
4: September they say ... Who knows, maybe we get to se 2 smartphones...
Nokia got lots of smartphones but none that can match the P-series. There isn't really that much u can do with a Nokia smartphone that u can't do with a K750.
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series 60 (generations ago in phone lifespan) can play every single nintendo game with excellent framerate and perfect sound (not counting the hundreds of other applications out there) they can also play other video / audio formats if you have the software,
nokia use better hardware, faster processors in there phones,
you don't see crashy phones on nokia at least not as buggy as se.
don't get me wrong I love se but I've had a 630 then k700 then k750 and the phones keep going downhill in quality and stability, my 630 was way better built then my k700, and now when I put my k700 next to my k750 a tear comes to my eye as k700 is better in both design and build (plus I didn't have any crashes /bugs with it I never updated the firmware once)
se is losing fans and if it keeps things up like this then things are gonna get ugly,
and don't say that they are focusing on a specific range of customers if they want to stay in this business then they need to cover all tastes they should release phones for high mid and low end markets.
Sony Ericsson isn't a small group of people sitting in a garage somewhere making phones, it's a large corporate and has a huge share of the market alongside other companies like Nokia Motorolla , Samsung ..etc it should act like it.
p.s. all the upcoming se phones look ugly almost as ugly as nokia phones 
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That was some anger...honestly I don't have an emotional attachment to SE...only my last three phones have been from SE... I couldn't gone with Nokia but I've had problems trying to text from their phones...so I chose SE.
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wrecked_porsche
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I've seen at least two posts in this thread that say that the S600i has EDGE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't EDGE only come with the W600a and NOT the S600i?
EDGE might not be important if your network provider only runs on regular GSM, but if your network provider has EDGE, it'll be a complete waste not to make use of it no? Sure, u can say there is 3G, but that's a diferent technology! If you're gonna use 3G, then you might as well not talk about GSM phones right? Just my 2 cents
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ares
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rotfl...do you really believe what you´re saying??? lol...you never used a nokia then..
SE is getting horrible, indeed...all the rave reviews k750 is getting are false lol...the fact that is being considered the best allround phone of 2005 so far is something of my imagination
You seem to ignore that a phone that can be bought by not much more than 300 euros, with plastic lens, produces photos with almost no difference to a high price phone like the n90 (test photos), that has glass lens from CZ. And that it has currently the best camera in the phone market. It even won the TIPA award - an award from Photography specialists, you know???
How do you expect k750 having the exact same build quality has k700 when it has MOVING PARTS????? It has a camera lens cover, for gods sake!!! The k700 don´t!!!
Ah, and most people i talked loved the design of new SE phones, like i do. The designs are great
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wrecked_porsche
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Yeah, the new designs from SE are nice. I like the S600. Seems cute.
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cyberkid
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On 2005-06-16 11:50:03, sanjeevjaya wrote:
I've seen at least two posts in this thread that say that the S600i has EDGE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't EDGE only come with the W600a and NOT the S600i?
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U r correct..ONLY W600 has EDGE implemented in it..
And yes, i agree with this statement:
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| Sure, u can say there is 3G, but that's a diferent technology! If you're gonna use 3G, then you might as well not talk about GSM phones right? |
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Some other disgraceful things of SE are:
1.the way they name their phones:
S600 after the S700?
W600 after the W800?
K600 after the K750?
Kind of reversing the timeline? Back to the future?
2.And there is no systematic order for the alphabets used..
Like 3G phones uses a certain alphabets, while GSM phones uses another set of alphabets..E.g: they used "K" for both GSM and 3G (their K750 and K600)
3.And why SE is so impatient to introduce another type of phone - V 600, since the K600 is still "coming soon" (i don't know how "soon" is defined as soon by SE)
4.Same as 3. goes to the K608 before the released of K600!
Wht is the mainpoint they do this kind of messy thingy?
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msotta_08
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nokia is also like that 6600 after 6610
no need to worry bout that thing
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Yazan24
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| Another disgraceful things of SE are:
1.the way they name their phones:
S600 after the S700?
W600 after the W800?
K600 after the K750? |
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Because clearly nokia do a better job (Sarcasm)
Theyre named lower because of FEATURE WISE, not Release DATE WISE. |
cyberkid
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Why SHOULD they follow Nokia? |
sapporobaby
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This is a thread started by a complete whiner. If you don't like the friggin phones then don't buy them. Why sit and wallow in your complaints. Do yourself and everyone a favor stop crying about SE. If you do not like it then change.
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