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P800 is going to be very expensive |
floatlite
Joined: Jan 23, 2002
Posts: 486
From: Glasgow
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Comfirmed price is £499 UK WITH a contract in UK, on VODA and O2, I work for Voda UK.
NOT Cheap
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Alhuang1
Joined: Jan 06, 2002
Posts: 30
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I stumbled across a UK site that had a price of 450 pounds and does not talk about any contract. Wonder if you are familiar with this site and can give some views on how real this price is. http://www.clove.co.uk/products.asp?product=ER-P800
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cadcad
Joined: Mar 01, 2002
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From: Lebanon
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well yeah i do always check expansys clove and mobilefly!! and i bet the P800 won't be that expensive... it'll be around 800$ or less |
Deltayoda
Joined: Mar 03, 2002
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From: Los Angeles, California
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Professional users? You must mean tech geeks... |
mrNoodles
Joined: Feb 28, 2002
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From: Sweden
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Hehehehe as some one said:
You gets what you paid for 
I think the price sounds rather oki!
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Super G
Joined: Mar 07, 2002
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From: France
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Who cares about P800? 
And its ugly removable keypad (would be funny to see how cumbersome it gets in the long term)
And its ugly color
And its unprotected camera lense
And its unprotected touch screen
And its screw-you-guys, you need two hands
And its exclusive price tag (well, the price is justified)
Not me 
Teasing you guys ;P
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cadcad
Joined: Mar 01, 2002
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From: Lebanon
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hehe me  because it's an ericsson phone... |
Cophia
Joined: Jul 22, 2002
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From: Sydney
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You may want to consider that these devices only take images at a resolution of 640x480 (maximum) and do NOT have a focus (let along auto-focus) feature (although there is a tele-foto option on a (not Nokia or Sony Ericsson) Japanese phone.
The colours are reasonable, the Communicam for the T68i being one of the better ones using about 90k colours for an sunny outdoor shot (which will obviously depend on the subject as well).
And of course, none of these phones have a flash facility.
I have just assessed 3 different phones with cameras and the conclusion is they are good for the occasional fun use in good lighting with some shots being of reasonable quality for a website. They do not produce very sharp pictures because of a lack of focus control, which is not a vital requirement for small 80x60 MMS images (which often do not have enough pixels to clearly show a difference).
Some of these devices will not be cheap, so please make sure you know what kind of camera device you are buying and what to expect before you spend your money! Don't expect them to be what they are not, or were ever intended to be - marketing can blur the truth so try before you buy.
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Drinky
Joined: Mar 05, 2002
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From: Winchcombe, Glos, UK
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On 2002-08-08 23:42, floatlite wrote:
Comfirmed price is £499 UK WITH a contract in UK, on VODA and O2, I work for Voda UK.
NOT Cheap
Dave
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If you work for Voda, tell somebody straight away that they're insane. Orange are throwing around a figure of £249 from launch, which would utterly bury Voda connections on the handset. |
Cophia
Joined: Jul 22, 2002
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From: Sydney
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That is not a confirmed price.
Vodafone do not even have a confirmed release date yet, it is still being software/hardware evaluated.
You may get a "grey" import with a Vodafone SIM from a third party shop, but no date is available yet for release in a Vodafone Retail Shop.
Don't expect the usual subsidies though...
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andrew99
Joined: Nov 29, 2001
Posts: 254
From: london
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I flat out don't believe they will cost £499 on voda with a contract. That is £300 more than the 7650, so someone is talking shite. Also, I would expect more than the usual subsidy, as they are high ARPU devices, they are needed to push data services and MMS, so if they don't subsidise them, it means they don't want decent market share of the new mobile telecoms industry, and that would be commercial suicide. |
Cophia
Joined: Jul 22, 2002
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From: Sydney
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You need to consider that the P800 is not a typical MMS phone, there are others that fall into that catagory. Neither is the Nokia 7650 a typical MMS phone.
Look to Nokia 7210, 6610 or T68i with camera attachment or the Panasonic GD87 (and similiar Japanese "clam" phones with built-in cameras), or the cheaper MMS receive-only phones coming down the line.
Subsidises will depend on operator and country, you will be surprised how many hundreds of millions are lost through subsidisies every year as people change phones without increasing ARPU.
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Cophia
Joined: Jul 22, 2002
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From: Sydney
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Giving someone an MMS phone doesn't mean that they are going to use MMS and bump up data revenues.
You need to make them 'want' to use it for MMS.
And if you want it bad enough, you will pay for it.
We'll just have to see.
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esoqq
Joined: Jan 17, 2002
Posts: 96
From: UK - Oxford
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Surely users of expensive phones like the P800 have a higher monthly spend on average anyway. I can't see why the subsidiy on this phone would be less than a more "typical" MMS phone. If the 7650 is atypical as well, then why is the subsidy on that phone in the region of £200-£250 UK? Isn't that a fairly healthy subsidy?
Also, how can an MMS receive-only phone help push up ARPU? I don't think they're going to be sending many MMS messages... |
Deltayoda
Joined: Mar 03, 2002
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From: Los Angeles, California
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I have to agree with Super G with this one.
This is no replacement for a PDA, hell, not even a PDA is a replacement for anything in this age.
It does look rather ugly and seeing more idiotic posts about how great this phone would be discourages me away from this phone (Some of you guys sound like the idiotic dealers).
Of course an IPAQ + T68i would probably just be a little over $200 more expensive, but it's far better than that P800. I can put my T68i in my pocket, and use my IPAQ just fine as if I didn't even have my T68i (but of course I'd never forget about, hehe).
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Posted: 2002-08-08 23:42
