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SsTiTcH
Joined: Nov 08, 2004
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From: Kyoto.Singapore,Malaysia
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True.. Would like to hear what other newbies think. Brb. Gotta take pain pill old injury from army acting up.
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scotsboyuk
Joined: Jun 02, 2003
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From: UK
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@Lynx69
It would be very interesting to find out how newbies see Esato and how easy they find it to integrate into the community here.
With regards to meths' 'crusade', I don't believe i will be signing up to it. I do agree that newbies shouldn't be flamed for asking, what more established members may consider, silly questions, but I don't think I need to be part of a 'crusade' to stop that.
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SsTiTcH
Joined: Nov 08, 2004
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From: Kyoto.Singapore,Malaysia
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Ta m8.. Normally betta at remembering names..
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Jake Blues
Joined: May 24, 2004
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i first found esato when i had my t300, i could not sign up because i have no pc so it was about 8-9months when i got my p8 before i could sign up. after such a long period i felt as if i belonged anyway. 
i never had anyone being "funny" with me, but then again i dont think i asked any daft questions!
i remember one night after a bad night at work i checked a couple of threads i either started or contributed in and all of them had died. i started a garbage thread asking what is wrong with me, why do i kill every thread im in etc., the response i got was mind blowing! by the time that thread died i felt more at home here than in my house. and most of the replies came from vets like kim and vlamm.
on my t300 i never really took any notice of post counts but when i first signed up i seemed to "look up" to the >500 club, and wonder how long it would take me to get above 500, i aint been here that long but now i realise it dont take that long to get to 500, i dont give a damn about post counts!
one thing i just realised is i havent seen that damn "use the search" smilie for ages. have the vets attitude to newbies changed recently?
also i would like to hear from an "esato o.a.p." when does a newbie stop being a newbie?
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blackspot
Joined: Sep 06, 2004
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From: Philippines
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I guess being a newbie is a matter of attitude and not post count. Some poeple are probably new to this forum but are definitely NOT a newbie as they have been around other forums probably longer than some of the veterans here. They know proper ethics and have the right attitude when they make posts. They know when and how to integrate into threads that they feel are relevant to them.
Some veterans however are totally opposite -- they still act like newbies IMO. They make posts without even knowing the flow of the thread which only makes them sound stupid if not annoying. Some would post obvious half-baked knowledge into discussions only to prove how pretentiously ignorant they are.
I admire very few people here who has never allowed post count to equal the sizes of their ego. They always try to be diplomatic in the way they make corrections or warnings.
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Sony Ericsson Indonesia
Joined: Oct 08, 2002
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From: Sony Ericsson Land
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i dont think older members are abusive to newbies. i primarily talk to newbies and not to the more famous members or whatever |
whizkidd
Joined: May 14, 2004
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From: India
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Yeah. I do not think that the veterans here are generally harsh on newbies. But if some newbie posts something which is against the forum rules, he might get a warning from a mod or a veteran member . Thats perfectly ok imho. And the post count? Its the last thing on my mind while rating members. Since i'm always on wml, i dunno how many posts others have made. I don't even know my post count!
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tranquil
Joined: Dec 15, 2001
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From: Oslo, Norway
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I've been doing a bit of thinking on this subject...
Some of the "veterans" are indeed looking after the others by telling flamers off and set them in place. That is why Esato is, fairly, "self moderated". By doing that they save us moderators for a graet deal of work sometime by getting topics back on track and actually save us from locking and ditching topics. One thing I miss when this happen is a PM from one of these "veterans" explaing and refering to the situation so the member concerned recieve an official warning for the action if need be. I must admit I don't allways read the whole topic when moderating; I'll read the first page, a couple of randomly picked ones and the last page of longer topics. If I find the topic OK at front and edn I'll leave it and take it for granted that everything is fine, but if there has been a "veteran conflict solver situation" on one of the pages I've skipped I'll have missed it.
Another thing that I find a bit funny is this; Someone asks something asked several times before, the first reply to that question is simply "USE SEARCH!!!". What kind of answer is that? Simple; "I know i've seen it in here somewhere so find it yourself. I can't be bothered looking around for you, I can't remeber the answer but know it is in here, but I got one more post on my post count and the first reply to the post." (Note: hardly any +500 posters do this, it's usually those who have a couple of hndred posts less than that). LAZY SHOW OFF! I don't mind people saying "Use Search" but that ought to come with an answer of a referrence to a topic where the raply can be found.
I think the majority of the "veterans" are polite and helpfull to new commers but there is allways the odd one who dives out and scare some poor new member so far off that he'l never come back and, on top of that, tells all his friends and forum buddies elsewhere to stay clear of the rat hole Esato. False rumours are started and we get a reputation that is not easy to prove wrong.
All in all Esato is a cool, informative and educating place to hang out where people talk about  phones and a lot more. 
That'll do it for now...
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Cycovision
Joined: Nov 30, 2003
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From: England
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Yeah I'm with you guys on this one, thankfully there seems to be just a small number of members that sometimes appear rude or state 'use the search' in answer to just about every flipping question!
I don't think it has anything to do with post counts or the length of time they've been members of Esato, it's just the bad attitudes of a handfull of members 
One thing I find interesting on any forum, however, is that it's so easy to take things the wrong way. I think it's mainly due to the fact that it's very difficult to get your mood or meaning across when you can only use text to communicate. People can't see your body language or hear the tone of your voice.
Sure, smillies help to an extent but I think it's still very easy to misunderstand people on a forum. I've been guilty of it myself more times than i can remember |
knight4led
Joined: May 27, 2004
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From: Califonia, USA
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Tranquil is very right about the search smiley. Its just annoying. I think some of the members that use it lose track of how many pages back in the forum a topic can get in two or three days. Sure you remember seeing that same question recently, but to the guy that just signed up it is impossible to find. The whole situation is made worse by a mediocre search function, sometimes I can't even find a topic I saw two days ago.
Other than the occasional rant about searching, integrating is really easy. Its just a matter of finding topics that intererst you that you have something to say about. |
Jake Blues
Joined: May 24, 2004
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@cycovision
you are right about things being taken the wrong way when written down.
i am naturally a p*ss taker and there have been loads of times when i have written something then looked at it and thought "that sounds really nasty" but if i had said it out loud people would have laughed and, if i was lucky, a cute bird would have slapped me. (hey, when you are as ugly as me any contact is good).
its just too easy to take things the wrong way when written down, and i think that there have been a few times when people who are new to forums in general have made the mistake of not reading thier posts properly and got themselves flamed into the bowels of hell, without meaning any harm.
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Sammy_boy
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
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From: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
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I agree with Knight4led - the search function isn't the best I'm afraid! I've often searched for a subject I know has been discussed before at least once, and not been able to find it. Even using the 'wildcards' like '+' etc. doesn't always bring up what you're looking for.
@nature - you're right - it's very easy to misunderstand what someone's said or how they say it, I did it myself with someone off Ebay yesterday and got into quite an argument with him, which I've just emailed a very apologetic apology to! 
I also don't like the way some members talk to newbies - I got involved in a bit of a flame war with someone who flamed a newbie myself! Even older members ask sometimes simple questions - I know I have on a few occasions when I can't find anything in the manual or tried unsucessfully searching for it.
A bit of patience is required, and leeway with new members posting what seem to be simple questions. They're not simple questions if you don't know the answer!
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Jake Blues
Joined: May 24, 2004
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and since when have se manuals been the best?
take the p800 manual 250+ pages and still loads of questions on here that should have been included in the manual!!
its times like that when someone asks a question about something thats not in the manual but WE have known the answer to the question for years when some of us should be more tolerant and not jump down peoples throats.
its like chris tarrant says : its only easy if you know the answer.
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fetzi
Joined: Oct 26, 2004
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From: currently warsaw
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'le nouveaux vétérans' I guess it was me then beeing that bad example for bad behaviour towards newbies.. which I am still too.. and which was not directed against the newbie personally, I tried to make fun with a question whether there would be a rtfm smiley (AFTER the question was correctly answered), and started a thread quoting this question which was nearly about 'how do I dial' - WITHOUT (!) telling the name of the poster.. thought it would be a nice idea collecting 'silly' questions. But I will not rise this again as I can imagine blood is starting to cook again over this.. Well, I got flamed and took my lesson out of it. Apparently after this the  smiley got a little bit out of order and imho the attitude towards 'not-so-difficult' questions changed a little bit for all posters..
I´m still feeling splitted about those questions. I answer all, giving them a thread where they could find help (followed from time to time by a friendly ':search: next time') or a solution as good as possible. But I expected this forum to be dedicated to those who are a little bit more interested in their phone - you don´t register with this forum accidentally - and therefore those who had at least one look into their manual.
Nevertheless this doesn´t prevent me from answering, and the rest is up to me..
note: if someone feels (again) offended by my words pls pm a moderator to delete them instead of flaming - I don´t want to let this very interesting thread die for my statement (but I guess I can post my opinion too)
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mustafabay
Joined: Sep 27, 2004
Posts: > 500
From: Egypt
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I've noticed that quite a few people stay up late on esato fighting off sleep so maybe they aren't very patient sometimes, sleep can do wonders, that's of course if they aren't the kind that wakeup in a bad mood and still log on to esato.
Hey nobody's perfect and everyone looses their temper sometimes and what am I doing defending veterans I'm a newbie 
Maybe esato should have a reputation power system like mobileburn where other members vote for your reputation rating then we can tell the good veterans from the old veterans. |
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