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k700nut
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@scotsboy..always been anti-politics,and even more so anti-monarchy mate.just by observing blair & bushes idious body language\\gestures,and facial expressions...i could never,ever take a word from their mouths as truthful or serious!
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scotsboyuk
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@k700nut
I don't think Blair is particuarly deceitful, but I do think he was presented with poor intelligence I don't think it does anyone any good to be too cynical about politics, although I realise that that can be difficult at times. 
I'm very much a royalist and I think the current system we have at the moment is actually rather good. We have been governmned by the same system, in one form or another, since Roman times and it seems to have worked rather well for us. I don't think monarchy itself is the problem, rather it is the fact that so few people are actually interested in the political process. So many people like to moan about politicians, but often offer very few practical ideas of how to improve things themselves.
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eric_emeralds
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"So many people like to moan about politicians, but often offer very few practical ideas of how to improve things themselves."
i guess brits and americans have more in common than we think  |
scotsboyuk
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I think that is common to everyone who lives in a democracy.
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scotsboyuk
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I have just been watching coverage of the U.S. election on FOX News and I was grinning by the end of the O'Rielly Factor. He was actually promoting a range of clothing he is selling on the news! Talk about tacky.
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absinthebri
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There's nothing tacky about that, Scots! It's called "freedom of speech" and it comes free with "democracy". Iraqis love it. Well, the ones not murdered by the Coalition might.
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scotsboyuk
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Are you suggesting that British troops (or Americans, Poles, Australians, etc) are murdering Iraqis?
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absinthebri
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Scots, as the war and occupation is illegal under international law, all the actions of the occupiers are also illegal. Do you think all these women and children are dying of the common cold?
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jcwhite_uk
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Laffen for president.
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scotsboyuk
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@absin
I was merely asking your opinion. Coalition forces at the very least do not deliberately target Iraqi civilians, unlike the terrorists.
I regard all wars (with one exception) as being illegal as they destroy life, but I also realise that the world is not perfect and that wars do happen. Is Iraq better off without Saddam? Probably, but I think that any benefit to Iraq will only be seen in the long term.
To steer this back on topic I wonder what Bush will do if he is re-elected; he will have no need to worry about another election and will, in effect, be able to do what he pleases.
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absinthebri
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I don't believe laffen is a US citizen and is therefore ineligible to run for President.
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scotsboyuk
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There is the possibility of a change in the American Constitution to allow U.S. citizens born in other countries to become President. For sheer comedy value, it might be fun to see a President Schwarzenegger.
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absinthebri
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Scots, Coalition forces DO deliberately target Iraqi civilians. There is at least one British soldier who has been charged with the murder of an Iraqi civilian in an English civil court. But you don't have to deliberately kill someone to commit murder, you merely have to be wreckless in your actions. The Americans have stated their intention to attack Falluja, a town full of civilians. What is that but planning murder with "malice aforethought"?
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scotsboyuk
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If one Britain comits murder does that make all Britons murderers? Expanding on your logic that one act of murder by that one British soldier would mean that both you and I could be labelled as murderers.
Was the soldier in question in a strategic command position? Did he organise other troops to attack civilians? Was it official government policy to target Iraqi civilians?
I do not agree with any form of killing, but I do not consider all Coalition troops to be murderers. What fraction of the Coalition forces have deliberately targeted civilians?
Sometimes violence is necessary to achieve peace, oxymoronic as that sounds. Should Allied bombers not have targeted German cities in WWII because they were killing civilians in the process, even though it severely damaged the German economy, reducing Germany's ability to fight and hastening the end of the most monstrous evil the world has ever seen?
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absinthebri
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The war against Hitler was a legitimate war of defence against an aggressor. The Iraqi war is illegal and therefore their is no defence to any charges resulting from it. And I didn't claim ALL coalition troops committed murder - it was you who claimed none did.
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