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axxxr
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Well if it all aint entirely true..but there is a cover up in there somewhere...None of it adds up or makes any sense.
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BobaFett
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wtc crash, iraq... whats the next great idea?
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Sammy_boy
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I'm sure that there isn't a conspiracy!! 
You'll be saying we didn't land on the moon next.....
There are far too many conspiracy theories floating around out there. A load of them were trotted out when Diana died, and whenever anything like 9/11 happened. How long before it's aliens from outer space!?
Sorry @axxxr, I'm generally in agreement with you on this subject but this idea that the Jews are somewhere behind 9/11 is just laughable!!!!!! In fact, that sounds almost anti-semetic. The nazis tried blaming everything on the jews - they seem to have been a scapegoat for just about everything over the last 2,000 years or so!
And before you ask, I am not Jewish, I am in fact just about Atheist.
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axxxr
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Sammy mate!....Im not religious either i class my myself as Agnostic..And i'm def not Anti-semetic.coz for a start my girlfriend is Jewish and a lot of my work colleagues and friends are jewish aswell..So im the last person in the world you can call that.
What i mean by a jewish conspiracy is that Mossad had been involved in such high profile acts of terror in the past.and there's recorded proof of that.
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Sammy_boy
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Sorry mate, guess I flew off the handle a little!  Not had a good day today, seem to be easily upset! 
btw, what does agnostic mean again? I've heard that word before - does it mean someone who doesn't believe in god unless they see incontrivertible proof?
Just out of interest, what would someone like Mossad get out of 9/11 - something like the US coming down hard on a lot of Arab countries, who just happen to be their enemies? If that's so, then I can see a bit where you're coming from with your theory. 
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axxxr
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No mate its absolutely fine...I can understand,we all have days like that sometimes..yes basically it does mean that but it can also mean someone who is not sure about the exsistence of God!..So we are pretty much near to being Athiests ourselves.
yep u have got it on one...It basically means that by mossad and Isreali involvement they can influence america to come down hard on Arab and muslim states..There's been a long tradition of Israeli involvement in U.S politics to influence america's actions in the middle east..This might sound like a conspiracy theory but there is proof to suggest that Mossad was aware and had prior knowledge of 9/11 but stayed quiet.If you exam the evidence closely you will see so many things just do not add up...Watch Michael Moor's farenheight 9/11 which is due for release pretty soon and you will be surprised.
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Sammy_boy
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Yes, I'd like to watch that Michael Moore film. It is coming out in the UK, isn't it? Because I believe it's been banned in the US, so much for the country of free speech free speech...  
I tried downloading the trailer for that film, I think my PC's pro bush - as when I tried to play the trailer my computer rebooted itself!!  x
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axxxr
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Who told you farenheit 9/11 has been bannned in the states?I dont believe it has.
Here try and watch the trailer in a different format.and if you can watch the other trailer for a new documentry..let me know what u think.
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/
http://www.truthuncovered.com/
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Sammy_boy
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Just got round to watching those two links - managed to get the Farenheight 9/11 trailer to work! I certainly want to go and see that film, see what Micheal Moore has to say.
I thought his film had been banned in the States - unless someone was TRYING to get it banned and failed, of course!
Saw the Truth Uncovered one as well, both this and Mr. Moore's film look thought-provoking. Will that 'Uncovered' programme come on TV at all, or is it just available on DVD?
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@axxxr - In a way, I do agree with the heading of this thread! In history, during the 70's and 80's, the Americans supported some Afghan militants to fight back at Russians who are stationed in some parts of Afghanistan - remember the - 'cold-war' > USSR vs USA? I guess in a way the Afghan people got rid of the few Russian soldiers stationed there. Now, after the US has trained and have supplied ammos to the Afghan, it is now that the US whose Afghans are after! As they say, 'what goes around, comes around' !
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gelfen
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the film was not banned in the US. Disney, the parent company of production house Miramax who made the film, has forbidden Miramax from distributing the film.
i will have other comments in this thread later...
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scotsboyuk
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I have read through this thread and some of what has been posted is quite frankly ludicrous, especially the suggestion that Western governments are somehow behind the 9/11 attacks. For the U.S. or Israeli governments to be involved in such a conspiracy they would have to be getting something from it, one suggestion has been that the U.S. would be able to put more pressure on unfriendly Arab states, but this isn't actually a very good explanation if one looks at the situation closely.
The U.S.'s power rests on money, money generated from international trade; anything that harms international trade harms the U.S. A conspiracy by the U.S. or anyone else that matter to stage attacks on the U.S. in an effort to whip up anti-Arab\Muslim sentiment would be an extremely stupid idea for the U.S. to get involved in. At the moment we find ourselves involve din a Global War on Terror, a war that has done absolutely nothing to help the governments of the Western nations as the ordinary citizens have been ever more critical of foreign policy. If the U.S. was trying to rally support for a strike against the Arab world then it would seem a silly way to go about it. Israel too hasn't done well from 9/11 since increased terrorism has forced Israel on the defensive without renewed U.S. support, so much so in fact, that Israel is now contemplating completely abandoning the Gaza strip, something completely unthinkable a few years ago.
On the other hand, 9.11 has in fact brought much of the Arab world closer together, one only has to look at the reluctance on the part of much of the Arab world during Gulf War II war when compared to Arab sentiment during the Gulf War I. Muslim extremism has been invigorated around the world and continues to grow at an alarming rate.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict IS at the heart of the matter, it is where all the strands interconnect e.g. Israel, the Palestinians, the U.S., terrorism, Al-Qaeda, perceived Western injustices, etc Extremists are able to use the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a rallying call to showcase what they perceive to be U.S. oppression and injustice, it has a powerful effect and causes many people to join radical groups.
If there were to be peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians then the extremists would find that the very base of their hatred towards the U.S. had been taken out from under them. The terrorists don't want peace between Israel and Palestine because it provides them with a cause and that is their real weapon. Few will join terrorist groups if they don't have some ideal that they want to advance, if Muslims see other Muslims living peacefully alongside Jews then they have little cause to hate Jews or Israel in particular.
I am a little worried at the level of anti-Americanism displayed in this thread, why do people feel the need to blame the U.S. for everything that goes wrong in the world? I am certainly not an apologist for the U.S. and I am the first to criticise them when they get something wrong, but I rarely see their great achievements being praised. The U.S. was instrumental in guaranteeing freedom throughout the world during WWII and the Cold War and it has done more than any other nation on Earth, with the possible exception of Britain, to spread democracy and freedom to everyone.
Most nations are involved in some very dubious activities and I hear very little condemnation of such regimes, e.g. China. China for example supports North Korea and in doing so props up a tyrant, who, along with his government, keep millions of people living in poverty with barely enough food to feed themselves and under constant fear for their life should they speak out of turn. The U.S., in comparison, is the biggest aid donor to North Korea, despite the fact that North Koreans are taught from childhood to hate America.
Perhaps it is 'cool' to dislike America, perhaps it makes people feel superior to 'stupid Americans', but I for one am extremely thankful for the U.S. American money helps millions around the world and American troops give their lives so that others can enjoy freedom and peace. If we are looking for someone to blame for the troubles we have then I suggest we assign blame to those who are responsible, extremists and fanatics who cannot stand to see people enjoying freedom and happiness, instead wanting to impose their tyrannical beliefs upon everyone else.
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Posted: 2004-06-15 18:29
