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P900 scam at www.technoleum.com (?) |
Residentevil
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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From: Raccoon City, USA
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Well I was tempted to buy my new P900 from technoleum, because of the price. But they do not have a phone number or street address. If there is no street address or phone number it has great potential for a scam. So I said to myself I rather pay more money and buy it from Sony direct and get a product with warranty from a reputable company. Plus if I want to have a repair done it is easier. I can not stress it more. No street addy, no phone #, be afraid, be very afraid.
Tough times don't last, tough people do!
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lotus49
Joined: May 02, 2004
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From: Yorkshire
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Scams like this are one of several reasons not to buy anything expensive using PayPal. If you had used your credit card directly you would have been able to obtain a refund without question. My understanding (and I'm not a lawyer) is that you are not entitled to a refund from your cc company as the company you paid using your card (ie PayPal) has not been in breach of contract.
If a retailer cannot get a merchant account with Visa and Mastercard, you have to wonder whether they are financially robust as the bar for obtaining one is set pretty low. Also, never buy anything from a web site that has no telephone number or street address.
If all you are spending is £20 then you can take a chance, but if you are spending hundreds of pounds, check the retailer out properly. Anything that looks too good to be true, isn't true.
I'd be gutted to be in your position, but other than telling the police and publicising the scam on boards like this, there really isn't much you can do other than chalk it down to experience. |
applepiecrumble
Joined: Apr 29, 2004
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but many people do and will carry on buying hi priced items through the internet and make a huge saving a few people will sadly get conned the only way is to use your head a bit. |
kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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Sorry dude. :-(. Why don't you try contacting the feds?
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Residentevil
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You can complain to the better business bureau. www.bbb.org
sometimes it helps.
Tough times don't last, tough people do!
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punkserb
Joined: Aug 05, 2002
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From: Chicago
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you mentioned he is in chicago...please tell me where.  perhaps something can be done for you after all...
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Residentevil
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This is what I found so far. Technoleum is member of the Exporter.com.sg group
I do not know who they are pretend to be. But peeps lets get'em
5315 N Clark St Chicago, IL 60640-2290
Company Information
Company ID: 36291
Member Since: February 2004
Contact Person: Antoine Neron
Online Status: Member currently offline
Send Message
Add to Address Book Block This Member
Send Showroom Products
Address: 5315 N Clark St #112
Country: UNITED STATES
Tel: 8663901919
Fax: 8663901919
Business Type: Import
Tough times don't last, tough people do!
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punkserb
Joined: Aug 05, 2002
Posts: 386
From: Chicago
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i can find that address easily. this week i have final exams so those will require my full attention. after that however, i'll defeinetly check this out. also the the member who got scammed, your paypal email, your location (just city no address) and full name would be nice. i'll take the case to the Chicago poice department too if i can't get anything out of the address.
btw, resident, are you also in chicago? we could meet up and do this together, i think that would be awesome. what do you say?
i know how it feels to be scammed. and even if this sin't the guy who got me a while ago, all of them are the same. and i'd really love to see them in jail or paying huge huge fines for their cowardly actions.
[ This Message was edited by: punkserb on 2004-05-03 04:52 ] |
bluebimmer
Joined: May 02, 2004
Posts: 60
From: Philippines
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yeah that guy won't stop scamming people till he's caught, glad u guys are doing something..
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frodon
Joined: Apr 21, 2004
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I would like to thank you all for your comments and advice.
For the people in Chicago, thank you, I understand what you are trying to do, but please do not do anything against the law. Beside, the possibility of a ID thieft cannot be rule out ( Even if it is unlikely).
I'm actually a user of paypal europe, based in the UK, hence I believe the UK laws will apply. ( I'm living in the netherlands btw).
I believe my best bet is to push paypal for a refund or get a chargeback from my Credit card company.
I got some interresting info from the paypal user agreement (europe) at https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/ua-outside
extract:
"If this is not sufficient to fund your payment fully, we will obtain the remaining e-money according to your instructions by charging your primary card to the value of the e-money required to effect the payment."
"By accepting an e-money payment, you agree that you are responsible for refunding the payment if the payer's initial e-money purchase transaction is subjected to a chargeback. If a chargeback occurs on a payment made to your account, we may debit your account balance to pay for it. The receipt of funds in your account balance, unless charged back, shall discharge the sender from their payment obligation to you, up to the amount of the funds transferred by the sender."
"Dispute Resolution and Chargebacks. Whether you are a buyer or seller, you agree to work actively with the other parties to your transactions to resolve any disputes. We do not act as the agent of either party in any dispute between payers and payees and do not have the responsibility for resolving such disputes. If any chargeback claim occurs (as the result of a dispute or for any other reason), you agree to provide all necessary documentation for the resolution of the claim. If you are a seller, you (a) acknowledge that we do not control the outcome of the chargeback decision reached by the buyer's issuing bank in a card transaction; (b) agree to accept the decision of the issuing bank as final and legally binding; and (c) recognise that you may not receive payment if the issuing bank rules against you in relation to the payment received. To report a potential fraudulent transaction, error or dispute, please contact our Customer Service Department. "
So it seems to me:
1) That paypal could actually charge the CC of the seller to refund me. not simply try to use the fund he may have in his paypal account. 2) A chargeback from the CC issuer is not uncommon.
In short, I need to get paypal to clarify their position before I start the chargeback process with mastercard ( beside I probably need to receive a CC statement showing the paypal transaction which I haven't receive yet) |
paprgl
Joined: Apr 18, 2004
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I lost money with this guy, too. Got his rating stripped for being a Square Trade good seller. Now the website is down. I'm sure he scammed many people. His address is a Mailboxes, Etc, in Chicago.
DO NOT trust any website tied to Antoine Neron. |
paprgl
Joined: Apr 18, 2004
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Sorry, I also wanted to add that he was listed as a "Square Trade" member. I got that rating stripped from him. It was based on him being a buyer, not a seller. His phone number was a cell that was disconnected. I suspect if you called that Mailboxes, Etc, (UPS Store, now?) they would tell you he had gone far far away. Of course, I also thought about small claims court, too. It depends on how much time I have to idle away on this "seller." |
Lembo
Joined: Mar 13, 2004
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From: East London
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Can't stand low-lives like that that rip us off like that.
Mates have just came back from Portugal fom the euro 2004.
They bought accommodation off a website and when they turned up they didn't know anything about it. Still trying to get their money back
B*stards
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chucky_egg
Joined: Dec 18, 2003
Posts: 120
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PayPal just dont want to take the charge back - they're liable, but if they can tell you "hey, we tried, but he emptied his account" and you buy it they avoid having to take the $700 hit from your credit card company.
I'd get straight on to your CC company and see what they can do. They're likely to be more helpful than PayPal because they don't have to worry about footing the bill.
You can't do much about the fraudster, but you can probably get your money back! |
lear60man
Joined: Mar 27, 2003
Posts: 21
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Try this, I would contact the Chicago Police department. File a report and dont take No for an answer. Call back every day and get names and badge numbers of the officers you talk to. I agree with an earlier post to get off your butt and contact master card. Scream fraud. |
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Posted: 2004-05-02 21:54
