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SE : Please make good phones (e.g T610 or T630 with no inbuilt camreas) without cameras! Argh.... |
Elbrus_Joe
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I do agree that the Telcos got a hand in this. But can't they learn that MMS is not going to huge and neither will 3G/4G/5G/etc...will be successful? The Telcos are now 'begging' people to use this. Imagine that you buy a 3G phone but your friends are still in 2G or 2.5G or whatever they call it.
One thing the Telcos underestimated is that we are humans, we can think and count. We aren't that stupid to send thousands of MMS or video calls for a dollar or per minute.
Subsidy or not, I always get my phone without any line or contract (so called at some countries). A phone doesn't really cost much. The subsidy is only marginal. Come on....
The only useful thing I find in SE phones are as followed :
1. Bluetooth
2. 65K color (I can see true color pictures or anything that got colors)
3. Easy to use menu
4. Polyringtones
5. SMS
6. IrDa (if any)
Other then that, the rest are just gimmicks.
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On 2004-02-07 13:29:58, morbodestroys wrote:
Hey that makes sense amagab 
Or could it be that the Telcos are responsible? Lets assume that the phone manufacturers dont really give a crap about what phones they make as long as they generate profit and please their shareholders blah blah blah. Lets also assume that most phones are sold through Telcos through plans, phone subsidies etc and the amount of people purchasing phones outright (ahem stupid ppl like me) are not sufficent to sway the demand of a particular phone. And as always the ppl are price sensitive.
This situation places a significant power in which the Telcos have in determining what handset should be subsidized and consequently what the phone manufacturers profit and loss statements will look like at the end of the financial year. If phone manufacturers decide to produce something which is not considered suitable for these telcos, they won't subsidise them, ppl who go on plans will decide to purchase other phones and the original phone manufacturer will lose out in the end.
If this is all true, and with the telcos intentions to push the average revenue per user, then it makes sense for telcos to heavily subsidise phones which have wap, cameras and bluetooth because they provide alternate revenue streams other than voice calls to the telco such as GRPS data, MMS, Email etc. If they decide to heavily promote these camera phones it sends out several msgs
- they will only promote camera phones so non cameras will not be subsidised and phone manufacturers who produce them will lose out in the end
- if they only promote/subsidise these camera phones it sends out a message to the consumer that they can get a camera phone for the same or lesser price to that of the non camera ones.
Oh dear - can you tell that Ive been drinking. I will go now and sit and nod happily in the corner 
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sybercouch88
Joined: Mar 15, 2003
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The trend is for more mega pixel camera phones. That is what the people want. |
gforce23
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By the end of the year, I am sure that we r gonna have 2-3 MP cams embedded in the phones.
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djpowelly
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Yes,i can understand why you want a high end market phone without a camera.... but, I have a T68i, I love it,  , IrDa and loads of features + small... But the screen is crap and there are no poly tones...
But all of you here saying that there isn't a novelty in the phone camera... you know, when your out with your mates (you normally dont carry around your 3 MP camera) and one of them does something silly and you just want to capture it on the 'spur of the moment'? Also, both me and my mate are car fanatics, when I see a done up car out of this world, I snap on my cam, and e-mail or mms it to him.... its a way of keeping in touch.
Just my 2 pence..
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gforce23
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I agree with u.
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bart
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the T608 for the CDMA market is an example of a good phone without cam.
intressting that you start this. and you're right, SE hasn't good any phones without cam that support bluetooth. most of there new ones have cams in them, except the low end phones those have it all but they don't have bluetooth sadly. although the price of bluetooth chips are getting lower each year
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701
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The truth is that u guys represent a minority.When some1 is ready to pay more than 300$ for a phone expects some features in it so no1 minds if u have a cam and some games and some other things u don't really use.I am sure, that in the future u'll see some good phones without the camera as the standards tend to get higher and higher on the low entry models.SE doesn't have it but other manufacturers do...Philips, Motorola, Samusng ( a bunch of em), even Nokia.I guess u HAVE some options if u really look into the prob.
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Elbrus_Joe
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Guess SE is not my type of phone in the near future. Oh well, guess I gotta look for other brands which does. Sad though...But how i wish I could just take the built in camera and plug it with some other things. But the problem is, I am not sure if the phone can boot up.
Anyone tried to open up the phone and will there be an impact if I try to remove the camera?
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On 2004-02-15 22:33:56, 701 wrote:
The truth is that u guys represent a minority.When some1 is ready to pay more than 300$ for a phone expects some features in it so no1 minds if u have a cam and some games and some other things u don't really use.I am sure, that in the future u'll see some good phones without the camera as the standards tend to get higher and higher on the low entry models.SE doesn't have it but other manufacturers do...Philips, Motorola, Samusng ( a bunch of em), even Nokia.I guess u HAVE some options if u really look into the prob.
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gforce23
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Was it necessary to have such a long quote?
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701
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@gforce23: That's cuz he never surfed the forum from wap.I did it for years and ...i know how u must feel 
Check this: http://www.mobile-review.com/review-en.shtml
At least a dozen good phones without a camera.
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Posted: 2004-02-07 15:16
djpowelly 
