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SE : Please make good phones (e.g T610 or T630 with no inbuilt camreas) without cameras! Argh.... |
Elbrus_Joe
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Dear SE,
Please try to make some good phones without cameras. There will be people who are very interested to get it. How about something like the T68/T68i which got bluetooth and all the functions which one needs. But without the camera.
Now you have came out with the T630. Why not make it as the base model for one without a camera? It will attract many to get it.
I myself got an excellent digital camera and honestly I really despise the quality of the pictures. Also, such features eats into the battery life and there goes the usage life too. Come on. You don't need to follow what other manufacturers are doing.
Haven't you read something on people buying camera phones but not using MMS at all? There is a market for no camera phones with great features and functions. Alot of people are eagerly waiting for such phones. Its a matter of time when someone will do that. By then, you are too late. (you had been always been slow...maybe you should look into your marketing department. They aren't doing their job!!!)
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Vlammetje
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there are phones without camera 
[edit] fopr examples look here
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Elbrus_Joe
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But they don't have bluetooth. They don't have 65K color screens. Don't they have something like the T610, Z600 or even T630 without the camera but just the phone itself? Come on....I am talking about phones with functions. Z200 and T230 are just way too 'simple' perhaps.
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On 2004-02-06 09:02:55, Vlammetje wrote:
there are phones without camera
[edit] fopr examples look here
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BOSSHOGG
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Good point you have there. Especially since the camera in question is poor compared to the competition.
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masseur
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this subject has been mentioned a few times before, for example...
Camera-less P800 when ? and
Will we ever see a T610 without the camera?
but my argument is still that the cost of putting a camera in a phone must be so small so as not to be worth tooling the production line to make a non camera version of that same phone
I too have an excellent 5megapixel camera but wouldn't dream of sending pics that big through my phone. I use the camera on my T630 and P900 frequently for quick snaps to family and friends.
Its simple really, if you don't like the camera on the phone and don't wanna use it, then don't. I'm sure there are other features of the phones people don't use but I don't see people asking to have a T630 version without, say, MMS which I personally never use.
Finally, I can hardly believe that because a phone has a camera is a reason for people to not buy the phone 
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Vlammetje
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i think the common consensus with phone manufacturers is that a phone with 65k colours and  should have a cam to complete the package tbh.
I hardly ever use the cam on my Z600..... i NEVER use MMS coz I can't send it directly to a foreign phone anyway and cannot receive from anything but a domestic phone either..... it's utter useless....
nor do i play games a lot..... but hey the features are there and i still wanted this phone
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craigjackson001
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Have a look at the t606 which is coming soon. Go to www.myse.uklinux.net go the news section for some info
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masseur
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another fairly basic phone, although this one does have bluetooth. no built in camera but it accepts the MCA camera accessory. For north american market only (CDMA)
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o0xskaterx0o
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i'm surprised people dont seem to use MMS much. Well i should say i didnt before i got my new phone but now orange are doing orange world or something like that you get 150 photo msgs along with 10mb internet etc for £6 a month!  Its the best thing orange have done yet |
hawklord2112
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unfortunately i havee to agree with the sentiment of the originator; i have friends who work in the local dockyard (military) and they are stuck with old handset 'cause they arent allowed to take camphones in to work... and doint want to be sim swapping every day...
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amagab
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there are more and more places that doesn't accept cam phones.....schools, hotels, companies, etc.
I think a lot of business men doesn't want/need a cam.
I would still pay the same amount for the P900 even if it didn't have a cam but as said earlier it probably cost more for SE NOT to include the cam.
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Elbrus_Joe
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Why would the cost be high? They can just plug that hole with something solid. It ain't going to cost them. It just whether they want to do it. I don't mind paying the same price for the Z600, T610, or T630 without a camera. Cos its simply worth it.
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unfortunately i havee to agree with the sentiment of the originator; i have friends who work in the local dockyard (military) and they are stuck with old handset 'cause they arent allowed to take camphones in to work... and doint want to be sim swapping every day...
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tranquil
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I agree with Elbrus_Joe
Some work places has a ban on camera phones.
I'd like to see a "Medium to top of the range"  phone with no camera as well.
Why should only "low end" phones be without camera?
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amagab
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My theory is that it might have to do with pressure from the suppliers. Just like "big oil" supports the production of fast, heavy, gas guzzling cars I think the phone manufacturers benefit from including cams in their phones....buying more of a part means cheaper parts. Standardizing a model to one design saves on production as well. Selling one phone model instead of two is cheaper for SE. Having the customer choose between cam or no cam makes it harder for the phone manufacturer to estimate their sales.
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morbodestroys
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Hey that makes sense amagab 
Or could it be that the Telcos are responsible? Lets assume that the phone manufacturers dont really give a crap about what phones they make as long as they generate profit and please their shareholders blah blah blah. Lets also assume that most phones are sold through Telcos through plans, phone subsidies etc and the amount of people purchasing phones outright (ahem stupid ppl like me) are not sufficent to sway the demand of a particular phone. And as always the ppl are price sensitive.
This situation places a significant power in which the Telcos have in determining what handset should be subsidized and consequently what the phone manufacturers profit and loss statements will look like at the end of the financial year. If phone manufacturers decide to produce something which is not considered suitable for these telcos, they won't subsidise them, ppl who go on plans will decide to purchase other phones and the original phone manufacturer will lose out in the end.
If this is all true, and with the telcos intentions to push the average revenue per user, then it makes sense for telcos to heavily subsidise phones which have wap, cameras and bluetooth because they provide alternate revenue streams other than voice calls to the telco such as GRPS data, MMS, Email etc. If they decide to heavily promote these camera phones it sends out several msgs
- they will only promote camera phones so non cameras will not be subsidised and phone manufacturers who produce them will lose out in the end
- if they only promote/subsidise these camera phones it sends out a message to the consumer that they can get a camera phone for the same or lesser price to that of the non camera ones.
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