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Learning to hate this phone... |
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Living in the UK, will I p*ss Customs off if I buy a 128MB from Brando:
http://shop.brando.com.hk/memorystickduo.php
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Steven.
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Krubach
Joined: Dec 05, 2002
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From my experience buying it and living in Portugal:
They didn't even noticed it.
It came on an cushioned envelope and i didn't had to pay IVA (VAT for you in UK).
Here they just check packages with more than 1,5 - 2Kg (info from inside).
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Sunchild
Joined: Jun 16, 2003
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First off, as teg so rightly points out above, other operating systems have proper memory management and don't nosedive when you top off a drive. I can personally vouch for OS X and Unix, and I'll make an educated guess that Windows, etc. and even probably Palm OS can handle "disk" management.
The fact of the matter is that the Symbian file system on my P800 was corrupted when the internal memory was full. I do not have a memory stick because I don't have any use for it outside my P800, and I consider it insulting that Sony is forcing me to buy their expensive proprietary memory format for this device only. If I had understood that this device requires a memory stick for proper operation, I would probably have purchased one. Nowhere in the manual did I read: "Make sure you keep a few megs free in internal memory, since our developers couldn't put together a proper file system." From that perspective, any potential buyers of this phone should slap an additional $75 onto the price of this already expensive phone, as you are apparently an idiot if you didn't know that the memory stick is required for operation.
The fact of the matter is that I went around snapping photos at high resolution, thinking that this phone would be able to manage. It didn't and now I've lost some pics and some data as a result. Not to mention all the calls that I missed while I was trying to battle through the molasses-mode that results from filling up the internal memory. It was the base station and synching software that prompted the meltdown (probably because it requires some internal memory to initiate the connection). Also, the reason that I lost data is that the PC software won't back up your device after you've crossed a certain memory usage threshold. That's right! If your phone is nearly so full that it will soon crash, the software won't back your phone up because the internal "disk" is full.
Again, some of these issues may have been addressed in firmware updates, but I cannot get these updates without giving away my phone for a week or two (not an option.) |
dantec
Joined: Mar 02, 2003
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Sorry but Palm OS goes completely down in space is full...
I did the same with photobase, as a trial (I knew what i was doing) sending 20 jpegs to my 8mb palm tungsten t. The hotsync utility stopped sending files when the mem was full, and when I woke the palm up it worked, but if i pushed any of the drop down menu's it would say "Unable to init main.c, mem full !!!" and I would just have to reset every time..!
Now of course without accessing menus and full memory I couldn't erase anything or install a 3rd party app to delete without the using contextual mem, so I had to do a hard reset and erase all the ram...!
So yes palm OS does freeze when ram is full ! (at least in my case with palmos 5)
If you don't like the p800 so much go get a 3650, they you can really complain about the lack of a touchscreen.
I agree the p800 might not be perfect but it's certainly still the best phone in its class...
You were complaining about other users not warning you about memory management problems, well I myself have read several threads about it here in esato a while back and since you are reading these threads you should have been perfectly aware that there was no 'easy' and near way to upgrade your p800 ! |
manu
Joined: Mar 27, 2003
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I must say that whoever programmed the system could easily have overcome this problem:
If installing_new_software or storing_something then
If spare_memory < 10%_of_total or after_installation_of_new_ software_spare_memory < 10%_of_total Then
warn user or cancel_install
end_if
end_if
Aha, but if we have a bunch of moron programmers or we train a few monkeys (and I am not blaming the cousins of the homo sapien family !) to do the work badly (just to reduce costs) then the product you get reflects this !
Now, who put that GOTO in the assembler code.....
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Sunchild
Joined: Jun 16, 2003
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Dantec,
That is interesting to know that Palm OS bites the dust, too. At least I will take some confort in knowing that this is industry standard. LOL. Anyway, just to clarify: I didn't mean to complain that other users had not warned me about this error. I created this post to increase the probability that potential buyers would chance upon it during their pre-purchase research. I am not bitter about this situation, although I am disappointed in the quality of the phone. I have other complaints about it, too. For instance, I think the materials are quite flimsy. But flimsy plastic is the standard for mobile phones these days, so I am not complaining.
I think it is difficult to be honest about your opinions in these types of online forums because some people take your complaints personally. I just want to make sure that there is some awareness about the shortcomings of this phone, too. |
Coramoor
Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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My p800 didn't crash.. It just became incredibly sluggish and took A looong time to boot... But all I had to do was delete some stuff....
For anyone who has been paying attention this is what the slopfile is for....(Not on all firmwares though it seems..) |
fijbert
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@teg
I'm sorry, but this phone is far from aimed at everyone and I doubt any grandparent wld use it! this phone is aimed at 2 kinds of ppl
ppl who hv cash, and gadget freaks; not the elderly or a 10yr old kid (unless very spoiled)!
a person who cant program a VCR shldnt buy something like this.. it isnt a common phone, and just by the look of it, one shld know if he will be able to use it.
windows does warn u when ur disk is low on space, but that doesnt mean u cant fill it up!! then it fails!
well the P800 does show u how much memory is left when u install software, and if u just keep clickin on C: well, ur the doufus!
and the cam pix can be saved on MS duos.. that's what I do!
it's like buying a manual car going up to 6th gear, and downshift to 1 without slowing down at all, and busting god knows what parts of ur car and bitching at the company for not telling u that u cant do that!
@sunchild
the extra 75$ isnt so bad! this phone is aimed at ppl who hv 700$ to throw away at a phone.. not for ppl who blew off 8 paychecks to afford it! it's like buying a porsche and complaining that the fuel costs too much (cuz u gotta put super in a porsche  )
I take it u bought ur phone recently, so I'd go on a limb and say u paid 650$ for it?
what about all the ppl who got it 7months ago and paid it 850-1000$USD? I hvnt heard them complain about the extra 75$
MS Duos can be used with any sony product! so it isnt just for the phone! while ur at it, flame nokia for selling products that only work with one specific phone
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Sunchild
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@Fijbert
Obviously money is not the problem. Otherwise, I'd be more upset about this phone's shortcomings. The thing that really gets me about the memory stick is that not only is it proprietary (i.e., useless on non-Sony devices) but it is pretty much device-specific (i.e., useless on non-P800 Sony devices). That is just so offensive to me. I will go shell out the money now and buy one. I will also manage my own memory, since the OS has demonstrated its inability to do so. None of this means that I don't resent having to babysit my phone's memory usage.
Look, I've never been a fan of expensive things like Ferrari's that need all sorts of quirky care and upkeep. I prefer to own nice things that work properly (e.g., Honda NSX). If it were the camera, or the calendar or some other non-essential feature of this phone that were the problem, you wouldn't hear me complaining. I consider flaws in the file system to be equivalent to engine trouble in a car. It's like owning a Ferrari that leaks oil. It works if you pamper it, but, IMO, that sucks.
So now, I am forced to check my phone's memory usage periodically. No biggie, but I do resent it. |
zol
Joined: Sep 27, 2002
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Two parties here. It's like having a big fat ass girlfriend and then chatting with friends who prefer supermodels but otherwise have no women at all. They have the taste, I got the ass. No-one will tell you who is doing worse...
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pachy
Joined: Nov 05, 2002
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Well i just use a "Fat Arse" laptop file to downloaad via BT all my temporary stuff like pictures taken on my p8, then i wipe them from the p8, same as when you use any other digicam, i use commpression software & i also read in my SE manual that SE RECOMMEND that you place apps on the duo.
File manager can be used to check the memory situation easily & even in standard form the phone has a good memory capacity, Duo's are NOT expensive compared to SD cards when first out.
This phone is for enthuesiasts, people who enjoy being kept busy with the phones technology, i LOVE having to "Go into the files & swop stuff about & change things like the startup vids or system sounds.
This phone is open to us for us to change things but it also means it could be an unwanted challenge for the less intelligent.
NO OFFENCE !
@Sunchild, i fully agree with your opinion of the feel & low quality of the casings on the p800. i think the rumoured p810/900 will sort that issue.
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teg
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On 2003-07-22 21:52:09, fijbert wrote:
@teg
I'm sorry, but this phone is far from aimed at everyone and I doubt any grandparent wld use it! this phone is aimed at 2 kinds of ppl
ppl who hv cash, and gadget freaks; not the elderly or a 10yr old kid (unless very spoiled)!
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Sorry to disappoint you but I was in a cell shop one day and there was this family spanning three generations who have this phone (Grandad, Dad and daughter -- I don't even want to know how much these people are earning). Also, there's a nokia commercial here with the grandparents using the 7250 to exchange pictures with their children and grandchildren (granted the 7250 is less complicated than the P800)
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On 2003-07-22 21:52:09, fijbert wrote:
a person who cant program a VCR shldnt buy something like this..
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Never had a VCR nor a betamax (=
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On 2003-07-22 21:52:09, fijbert wrote:
well the P800 does show u how much memory is left when u install software, and if u just keep clickin on C: well, ur the doufus!
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True but sunchild wasn't installing/uninstalling programs was he? He was continuosly taking photos (= Even my nikon digicam tells me when it's had enough pictures.
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On 2003-07-22 21:52:09, fijbert wrote:
it's like buying a manual car going up to 6th gear, and downshift to 1 without slowing down at all, and busting god knows what parts of ur car and bitching at the company for not telling u that u cant do that!
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Using your paradigm... the car has a speedometer you could look at immediately so you'd know how fast you're going... Even then you'd at least have an idea how fast you're going just by looking at your immediate surroundings. Where's that helpful indicator for the p800 you could look at immediately so you'd it's time to stop and unload some stuffs?
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On 2003-07-22 17:55:53, Sunchild wrote:
I have other complaints about it, too. For instance, I think the materials are quite flimsy. But flimsy plastic is the standard for mobile phones these days, so I am not complaining.
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I agree and I find that really annoying. For an expensive phone like this one would expect it would at least have a hard cover to protect the innards.
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lectrosoul
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God if someone has a geniune problem with the p800 either help or answer constructivley or else 'goto' a different thread the p800 is a phone not the best phone up there yes but why people take offence when its criticsed is beyond me..and this is at the people who are part of the whole p800 greatest phone on earth gang it can do No wrong get of yer bandwagon and broaden your minds..  are not the ONLY phones of worth out there, for the people that keep slating NOKIA etc whts the story ive had nokia for YEARS and im sorry but they trounce in 99% of phones the've released
sure the p800 it a great phone but its not the best on the market it could be if followed up on certain things, like the add for the p800 i saw in a mag before i bought it, the add basically made out this p800 was a mobile Video/Music /Phone devce that would replace everything youu would ever need to carry with you etc etc, yea right maybe if the battery lasted longer and the basic fuctions of a cell phone were included etc etc ther are too many things to mention why this phone has let people down. THE only reason im still using it is because the Internet / Email on it is Fantastic, but i need the battery life i was told it had and i aint getting it. i find myself using my 3650 a lot more again
anyway im just P***ed off with people that slate the likes of Sunchild when they have a complaint about this phone and a very genuine complaint at that, this phone was NOT designed JUST for 'Techies' the phone was meant to be able to be used by people that never owed a devce like it before and generally.. its sux 
im trying to get a point across but am half asleep and by the time i think of something to say my hands are typing something else.. ill leave it for now or till i wakwe up sum more
(just so no confusion this is aimed at 'Certain (p800 is my god)' people we all know who!! there have been some very constuctive replies to this thread and this is not aimed at you guys)
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fijbert
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@teg
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Using your paradigm... the car has a speedometer you could look at immediately so you'd know how fast you're going... Even then you'd at least have an idea how fast you're going just by looking at your immediate surroundings. Where's that helpful indicator for the p800 you could look at immediately so you'd it's time to stop and unload some stuffs?
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u completely missed my car thing
he is bitching about no one telling him that u cant fill up the memory
it's like GE telling u not to shove ur head in the microwave
or a car company telling u not to switch to 1st gear when ur doing 200km/h
it's common knowledge
I didnt get ur whole 3 ppl in a cell store shit
I'm saying the P800 isnt meant for ppl who r jack ignorant about technology
u seem to hv misread everythin I said
and if u dont like the phone, return it.. dont bitch at Esato users for not telling u about the memory flaw
u shld hv 
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teg
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On 2003-07-24 00:27:37, fijbert wrote:
u completely missed my car thing
he is bitching about no one telling him that u cant fill up the memory
it's like GE telling u not to shove ur head in the microwave
or a car company telling u not to switch to 1st gear when ur doing 200km/h
it's common knowledge
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let's see.. with the car you usually have someone teach you how to drive (which may take a day, weeks or months), with the microwave you have the manual listing the safety tips (and even if you didn't read through the manual it's likely you observed someone use it and made deductions) 
Unless I missed something and the service rep forgot to inform me, there was no training session for the p800 
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On 2003-07-24 00:27:37, fijbert wrote:
I'm saying the P800 isnt meant for ppl who r jack ignorant about technology
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You also mentioned it was also for people who have $$$. But does having $$$ automatically means you have the noodles to handle it?
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On 2003-07-24 00:27:37, fijbert wrote:
and if u dont like the phone, return it.. dont bitch at Esato users for not telling u about the memory flaw
u shld hv
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hmm. Now I'm missing something... where in my posts did I specifically state that "I don't like the p800"? I for one haven't experienced Sunchild's scenario and was curious as to how it happened.
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