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larry 68
Joined: Nov 09, 2007
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I see, guess Im just not used to the odd work round on Symbian compared to the simplicity of standard phones.
I dont see the point of the on screen zoom option.
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adcamb
Joined: Jun 11, 2007
Posts: 64
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With Mizzle there, I've save photo edits with no problems. I haven't seen many bugs on Saito, the firmware could do with tightening down a bit but it's not bad for a new phone on a new to SE OS. I've had the black screen thing someone mentioned. The phone's hardly reset in the month or so I've had it, which is more than I can say for my G900 which managed a reset every few days.
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TheHamster
Joined: Jun 29, 2004
Posts: 50
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Mizzle - While you say some of the bugs are not bugs as such but requested features, and while it is true that some users don't fully understand the concepts of a design. Sometimes bugs that are so obviously visible are not visible to everyones point of view and they become "well its always been like that".
I've already discussed a few of the 'funnies' with SE, like the Application Log placing the wrong icon (and having to click 4 times just to find out where the contact was phoning from.) the SE Satio product blogger responded with "I haven’t thought of that myself until now, I guess I just haven’t cared if it was offive/mobile/home. I’ll reproduce it here and report it to our developers it they don’t already know about it!"
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ArtsyGuy
Joined: Nov 06, 2009
Posts: 9
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BUGS:
I have had a problem with my phone seizing up, so that no buttons or the touch screen won't function. I have to take out the battery and restart the phone. Anyone else have this problem?
My phone can't be recognized by PCsuite or the SE upgrader software. This is really inconvenient as I can't back up the phone or upgrade it. Anyone else having this bug?
WEAKESSES IN PHONE SOFTWARE:
I don't like the photo viewing program with the phone, and I have not been able to get a downloaded app to work. The SE viewer program does not allow you to store the photos in groups separate from one another.
The Contact Manager does not allow you to separate the contacts into different groups. They are all stored together and not a lot of versatility as to how they can be managed.
The flash cannot be made to turn on all the time, as with most digital cameras. So for example, you cannot use it as fill flash on a sunny day, avoiding dark shadows under the eyes.
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mikekop
Joined: Feb 16, 2006
Posts: 59
From: Sweden
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On 2009-11-30 06:07:21, ArtsyGuy wrote:
BUGS:
I have had a problem with my phone seizing up, so that no buttons or the touch screen won't function. I have to take out the battery and restart the phone. Anyone else have this problem? No, not as you describe it. Have had 2 or 3 battery out resets in 4 weeks, mostly when using internet heavy. Which week is your phone made? ( Can be seen with removing the battery and looking at the label under, should say "09W39-46" somewhere.) It seems that phones made under a certain week has more troubles.
My phone can't be recognized by PCsuite or the SE upgrader software. This is really inconvenient as I can't back up the phone or upgrade it. Anyone else having this bug? Are you sure that your PC has downloaded the correct drivers? Are you sure your pc UI is compatible with your pc suite?
WEAKESSES IN PHONE SOFTWARE:
I don't like the photo viewing program with the phone, and I have not been able to get a downloaded app to work. The SE viewer program does not allow you to store the photos in groups separate from one another. Clearly, you don't know how to use it. Just tag the photos with whatever you want. I have a tag named "Work" that I just made when reading your post. Tagged 10 photos taken at work, and then I can view that tag-group separately.
The Contact Manager does not allow you to separate the contacts into different groups. They are all stored together and not a lot of versatility as to how they can be managed. Again, you don't know how to use it. In contacts, you have 2 "flips" or whatever they are called in english, at the top, one that says "abc", and one with 3 "torsos silhouettes". Click the 3 silhouettes, and there you can store your contacts into groups, like "Family" or "Friends".
The flash cannot be made to turn on all the time, as with most digital cameras. So for example, you cannot use it as fill flash on a sunny day, avoiding dark shadows under the eyes. You are correct, no option for "Always On". I think that feature will be available in future FW.
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haki
Joined: May 14, 2002
Posts: 390
From: The real MACEDONIA in GREECE
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On 2009-11-30 12:01:01, mikekop wrote:
On 2009-11-30 06:07:21, ArtsyGuy wrote:
BUGS:
...I don't like the photo viewing program with the phone, and I have not been able to get a downloaded app to work. The SE viewer program does not allow you to store the photos in groups separate from one another. Clearly, you don't know how to use it. Just tag the photos with whatever you want. I have a tag named "Work" that I just made when reading your post. Tagged 10 photos taken at work, and then I can view that tag-group separately. ...
Soooo, you buy the phone, with an 8GB card, you copy your 500 photos/wallpapers/whatever, then you tag EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE 500 with tags like family/work/wallpaper/chrismas wallpaper/vacation/illegal affair etc., AND after you decide to add 200 more, you tag them AGAIN, and after you format your phone AND card (due to the typically "flawless" SE firmware) YOU HAVE TO TAG ALL 700 OF THEM A_G_A_I_N!!!...and you consider this to be normal and you accuse ArtsyGuy of being unaware of this extremely useful and facilitative feature?????????????????? |
vegetaleb
Joined: May 03, 2002
Posts: > 500
From: Lebanon
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Ringtone bug: Ringtone begin to play 3 secs after the call is being received 
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mikekop
Joined: Feb 16, 2006
Posts: 59
From: Sweden
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Soooo, you buy the phone, with an 8GB card, you copy your 500 photos/wallpapers/whatever, then you tag EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE 500 with tags like family/work/wallpaper/chrismas wallpaper/vacation/illegal affair etc., AND after you decide to add 200 more, you tag them AGAIN, and after you format your phone AND card (due to the typically "flawless" SE firmware) YOU HAVE TO TAG ALL 700 OF THEM A_G_A_I_N!!!...and you consider this to be normal and you accuse ArtsyGuy of being unaware of this extremely useful and facilitative feature??????????????????
You have a point there. However, ArtsyGuy never said anything about images copied from another source to the memory card. He was talking about the photos, and I assumed he was talking about the photos he had taken with the Satio camera, and those aren't that big of a deal to tag. Sorry about that, and I'm not accusing anyone, that's a pretty strong word.
I haven't tried, but I think you can manage images you have on your PC with the bundled Media Go software, and tag them from there. That way, you don't have to retag them in your phone as you describe? |
ArtsyGuy
Joined: Nov 06, 2009
Posts: 9
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A phone that is very much a camera phone such as the Satio should have decent viewing software included. A user should not have to spend a lot of time Tagging photos, and the slide show should have more options, such as time between photos.
A very basic viewing program for a high end camera phone.
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mikely_28
Joined: Mar 15, 2009
Posts: 466
From: Poland
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When alarm waking me up first ther is vibration than voice and vibra disapears. It's bug for me. And it's too quiet as a alarm!!!
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saqibq
Joined: Nov 20, 2003
Posts: 184
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Life's good with my p990.. actually it was even better with my p900 until i bashed it in anger at an argument.. 
Soni Erikson |
NightBlade
Joined: Jul 29, 2007
Posts: > 500
From: Nessebar, Bulgaria
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On 2009-11-30 18:15:26, ArtsyGuy wrote:
A phone that is very much a camera phone such as the Satio should have decent viewing software included. A user should not have to spend a lot of time Tagging photos, and the slide show should have more options, such as time between photos.
A very basic viewing program for a high end camera phone.
Tags are how photos are organized with almost any image viewer, be it Windows or mobile. You can easily tag your photos prior to transferring them to your phone and they should appear in their own tag folder, as the EXIF data is used universally. As for photos that you have taken with your phone, I really don't see what else you'd like to be able to do.
Satio's image viewer app is actualy one of the better ones on the mobile phone market.
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bimmerboi
Joined: May 11, 2007
Posts: 32
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Found a new bug on my Satio.. I have got around 80+ apps installed on my phone. And it seems that the scroll function in the My Apps folder is bugged. It will only allow me to scroll down to a certain number of apps. The scroll bar is already at the bottom and some of my apps are down there and I cant select them lol |
ArtsyGuy
Joined: Nov 06, 2009
Posts: 9
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On 2009-11-30 23:46:31, bimmerboi wrote:
Found a new bug on my Satio.. I have got around 80+ apps installed on my phone. And it seems that the scroll function in the My Apps folder is bugged. It will only allow me to scroll down to a certain number of apps. The scroll bar is already at the bottom and some of my apps are down there and I cant select them lol
Where are you downloading your apps from? I have been having trouble finding apps that work. Do you have a photo viewing app that you like?
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nrich
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Posts: 11
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I've posted this in a few threads but I'm keen for SE to take note.
As yet I've had no freezes from my Satio and I've not needed to take the battery out once in 4 weeks use.
Anyway, so far I love:
The looks.
The build quality.
The big 3.5’ gorgeous screen.
The viewing and handling of pictures with the touchscreen.
The walkman UI with album art.
The camera is great.
The nice UI bits that Sony have grafted over the top of S60 in places.
The home screen.
The action of camera slide.
I’ve had many S60 phones, my last phone was an N82 which is still the best phone ever made. I have a young baby so I need a decent camera, plus I’ve been longing for some large screen real estate to view pictures, movies, maps and web on. So the Satio seemed like an ideal replacement with the added bonus of being built on S60 which is a well trodden path for me with excellent multitasking capabilities.
I’ve only ever owned Nokias but their recent products have finally pushed me over the edge, I can’t wait forever. Let’s be honest, what most people really want from a smartphone is an iPhone form factor (large screen), no slide out qwerty (makes phone too big), true multitasking with a decent camera and a xenon flash. That is the Satio! I’d quite like a N900 without qwerty and better camera and xenon.
So far I like the phone a lot, it’s more a case of me getting used to S60v5 (touch) rather than me getting used to the Satio, I’ve only ever used the non-touch versions of S60 so this is all new to me. Having to know when to touch once or twice in the menus take some getting used to but I understand this is a limitation of porting traditional S60 to a touchscreen format.
As much as I’m learning to love the Satio, there are quite a number of issues with the new handset. Hopefully some can be fixed in future firmware versions. Sony, please listen and help make a good phone great!
My phone is unlocked, used in UK on O2 network. Firmware is current latest, 1218-9500_R1BB041, dated 06-10-09, custom version, 1224-3823_R1AB029.
These issues are not in order, but the real big issues that hurt usability I will mark with **, please read on……………………
1. Wi-Fi suffers from drop outs every now and again. Can’t seem to find a cause, just every now and again.
2. ** There is no way to search by name for an MP3 in Media, I have over 1400 songs on the memory card and no other way to find a track except scrolling through the entire list. Unbelievable!
3. I cannot order videos in date order. Only be ordered by filename.
4. When I have a picture attached to a contact and that person calls me, the contact picture appears ok but it is partially obscure by the contact name area.
5. ** Battery life = Not Good! Everyone knows this, not news. Please let the 1350mAH battery rumour be true……
6. When a call is received the vibration starts for about 5 seconds before the ringing starts. This might be a feature or a bug, who knows. I just wish there was a setting to choose.
7. When connecting to my bluetooth handsfree car kit there is no profile I can select for this in ‘Accessories’ menu. So when my phone is on silent in the office, it stays on silent when I get into my car. Other S60 phones had a handsfree profile. Strange this is missing as the Satio has profiles for Headset, Textphone and TV Out. Also the earpiece volume is used as the handsfree volume. This is not the case with other S60 phones.
8. ** To search for a contact is a long winded process. Being sent to a ‘split over two page non-qwerty keyboard’ to start your keypresses is hardly ideal. Why not qwerty or alphanumeric like normal S60 contacts finding? Also no contact link from normal homescreen.
9. No equalizer in Satio Media music player. Why? This is standard in all S60. I think the Satio has suffered in some cases by not using the S60 music player but benefitted in others (better to look at).
10. **Kinetic scrolling is excellent in the Media menus and other areas grafted on by Sony. But no kinetic scrolling in the normal S60 parts of the UI make getting around lists such as contacts very difficult and non-intuitive. Can we not have kinetic scrolling in all menus like N97 V2.0 firmware?
11. My Blueyonder e-mail works fine but for some reason the normal automatic retrieval settings do not work. I cannot get my e-mail checked every 30/60 mins etc, I can only connect manually?
12. Camera is excellent but the settings menu seem hard to change, the on screen settings need a hard push or several pushes to register a touch.
13. ** Screen sensitivity is not great. I know its resistive but sometimes the screen registers the touch but the UI does not react, sometimes it just does not register. Very strange. Sometimes the screen needs several touches or sometimes a really hard touch (I’m not talking about the normal S60 parts of the UI that need 2 touches to first select and then activate). The screen seems particularly unresponsive when trying to track skip in the music player and the calculator seems really unresponsive. This must be a software driver issue.
14. ** I’m not sure if the flash is weak or camera software needs changing but photos taken in low light look dark and hard to view, even at very close flash ranges of 1 metre.
15. Autorotate is bit too eager and trigger happy. The sensitivity angle could be reduced a bit please.
16. If we could have some brightness and contrast controls in video player would be good.
17. Accuweather for S60v5 install and appears to run ok until it tries to access network and then gives some strange error message. Nothing can be resolved by setting changes.
18. No RDS on the radio? Yet I think it was advertised as having RDS.
19. When photos are geotagged, unlike in N series phones there is no option to view on a map. Because no Nokia maps integrated I guess, just Google Maps and Wisepilot.
20. Speaker phone volume is a low from the loudspeaker.
21. Cannot save files that are bluetoothed to me on the memory card. If the file is too big for phone memory (See number 22) then no option to save to memory card. (I think this is an S60 issue on all phones I seem to recall)
22. ** Tiny amount of usable C drive space (50/60Mb) even though I install all apps and save everything to memory card.
23. ** Apparently Satio has 256Mb of RAM but you would not realise it as it struggles to do more than one thing at a time. This should be S60’s strength coupled with all of the Satio RAM. What’s going on? When I’m playing music through Bluetooth it would be fair to expect to be able to also web browse with the bluetooth playback skipping and stopping! That’s the whole point of S60, I wasn’t to multitask!
24. Where’s the Satio Facebook App? Many can be downloaded but Satio is advertised with dedicated Facebook App.
25. ** I have set up the relevant access points in Destinations (Wi-Fi priority 1, network data priority 2). I’ve also set up all of the apps to use the correct destination and I still get asked which destination to use on app start up.
26. ** Predictive text (T9) with the alphanumeric keypad has issues! When trying to enter one letter, say m, n or o by pressing 6 key once, I cannot then toggle between them with the * key like you normally can with predictive text! I have to enter and spell n and o manually! Ridiculous! It’s not all of the time so it’s not even predictable!
27. ** When entering a full stop or comma or symbol after a word when I try to toggle with the * key the word is changed! Ridiculous! Again not all the time.
28. ** Sometimes movies/videos give a ‘could not play file’ message when I launch them in Media. If I reboot the phone then they will play ok if I do it first thing without using the phone for anything else. This seems like some memory usage issues.
In general the Satio seems far from optimized in many ways. 256 Mb of RAM is not well used, it seems to get bogged down and tied up doing not very much at all! What the N97 would give for 256Mb of RAM and it would use it well, a lot better than the Satio.
Many of these fixes can be ironed out with firmware updates. I don’t expect Sony’s implementation to be as slick as Nokia’s, Nokia grew up with S60 and matured the OS to where it is today. I like what Sony is doing with S60, taking a good old reliable workhorse and making it look pretty. As long as that prettiness does not detract from the rock solid S60 functionality.
Please help us Sony, the Satio is very close to being an absolute winner.
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