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bronxdude
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On 2008-04-13 23:19:59, jmcomms wrote:
All of the A200 models are too slow (the W890i is just as bad when it's playing music, and even worse if playing over Bluetooth headphones and/or connected to the Bluetooth watch).
At a recent round table meeting with 3 and Google, SE basically said they needed to reduce power consumption with better 3G chipsets, more efficient screens and increase processor performance.
Of course they didn't explain WHY they needed to improve processor performance, but anyone who has used a K850i, W910i, K660i or W890i will know EXACTLY why!!
(I also fear the C902 is going to be the same)
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[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2008-04-13 22:20 ]
This scared me a lot! I was planning on getting c702 or c902 AND w980. But I am having second thoughts now  |
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naveensiva
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Well guys many seems to have the same attitude like me...
why cant they put in extra memory just in case ???
adding a 64mb wont cost anything...
and another thing i saw is when i updated my firmy it took nealy 4 mb of space from the phone memory ( prev it was 41MB )
Is there a chance we can see a fster UI with further updates or should we have to live with it ???
do u guys want media manager ??? that VERY BUGGY media player V3.0 ???
I think i can have my prev k800 media player with mega bass alone integrated... that will save loads of memory..
i think the real culprit is the media manager..!!1
Who needs a F cking media manger which scans all my folders when i store my songs in MUSIC FOLDER ??? Dumb SH!T Software engineers... Idiots to core...
To Dev : Your media mager is NOT a google spider/crawler which indexes all web sites wherever they are... instead its a buddigiest app or addon ever created...
Just please put in my old media player itself... i can live with it !!!
and why cant u make the basic thing " CALL " function some wht faster???
am i running a vista on a Pentium 3 ???? Idiots
p.s : sorry for the harsh words... i cnt resist...
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jmcomms
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Yes, the media player is poor. If you find the original file manager and view pictures (and video) with that, it's a lot quicker.
Still, it looks a bit like a PSP so it must be good innit!!
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I have to say that I really like the Media manager now, but the only problem with it is that it is sometimes slow. |
naveensiva
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i didnt say i didnt like the psp style media manager !!!!
just look at KD player .... i recently had a thme which looks perfectly as ipod style interface and another was media player 11 like .. they were awesome ...
ok i will put it like this ....
wht is ther in media manager ( k850 )
1.) accelometer sensitive
2.)psp like .. its just LIKE .. meaning it has the * PSP ICONS * ...
3.)its damn slow.... ( for new se users .. it may appear fast... but for me a peson who had used k750/800/850 now .. this is very damn slow...
4.)When i run music from media manager.... i cant do anything other than it .... it was ntthe case in other phones
i think its better we have some kind os atlezst strip off of media manager so that it speeds up a little and also overall performance....i dont want to sit there with my friends when the crap media manger takes its life time to show me the list of songs....
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jmcomms
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Sorry my comment about it being good, innit was my attempt at making a joke.
I've just got another W960i from work and done the firmware update and, my god, what a difference. It's flying and I'm happily playing music and messing around with email with no slow down.. and it's playing video at full quality.
Once again, proof as if it were needed, that the A200 platform is not capable of the tasks expected of it.
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bronxdude
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On 2008-04-15 00:43:02, jmcomms wrote:
Sorry my comment about it being good, innit was my attempt at making a joke.
I've just got another W960i from work and done the firmware update and, my god, what a difference. It's flying and I'm happily playing music and messing around with email with no slow down.. and it's playing video at full quality.
Once again, proof as if it were needed, that the A200 platform is not capable of the tasks expected of it.
jcomms, may I ask what firmware are you using? I am looking for a replacement phone, what can you recommend? I am using k800 as of now. And I would love to have a walkman phone since my k800's acoustics was bad |
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thats nice.....
but on k850 its damn slow....
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I agree ... I LOVE the Media Manager, but its TOO slow to a point.
If you Start up your phone and RUSH to load anything saved on it ... it'll present a problem. Anyone every REMOVE a large (4/6/8GB) M2 card and reinsert and quickly look into Media Manager?
Ever notice it takes a while to "LOAD" all its content ... EVEN though a quick trip to any subfolder in File Manager will list all content immediately? I even tried turning off the Auto Rotation in Media Manager and barely a speed improvement. btw, I'm on a Rogers Wireless Branded K850i so my firmware - as of current is 2 revisions behind.
I love my K850i I've only had one reboot and I believe it was my fault as I rushed the phone to do something it wasn't intended to do during a disconnection. I consider myself lucky.
SE should consider the option to have the Media Manager Removed OR allow File Manager to load or playback Music functions (Walkman 3.0), Video playback (Video Player), picture viewer, etc with native components that actually provides the better experience if you know what I mean without using Media Manager as the interface.
However the better solution is the have SE's technical engineers PUSH for a faster & just as capable and efficient dual core ARM 9/11 cpu for these A2 phones in near production and future announced / developed A2 phones.
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jmcomms
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The media player is just badly coded, as the phone isn't that slow at doing other things. Older models like the K800 or W880 aren't that slow, so it's not as if the hardware can't cope (video playback on the W880 is better than the W890 for example).
Having seen the massive improvement on the most recent K850i firmware (making the phone SIGNIFICANTLY faster, although the media player wasn't improved by as much as other parts of the UI), and the massive improvements on the latest W960i firmware, SE can probably fix most of the problems.
But, although I don't want to go off on a tangent (there are other threads on Esato that have covered this), I do still want to say that I think SE shouldn't be releasing products before they're at the stage they are after 6-9 months.
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DCUK7
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The media manager is meant to act a bit like the iPod in so much as it builds a database of the music installed on the card and plays from that.
Where it differs from the iPod is that on the iPod the database is compiled and maintained by iTunes so the iPod doesn't need to do any scanning for music. Because the K850i does not work that way (it has no application to manage a database for it) it compiles the database on-the-fly and has to rebuild it after each reboot/shutdown.
The main problem with the phone is that because the hardware is so old and so much like the K800, the new A200 platform coupled with the fact it runs on a whole new version of Java really lags and doesn't run as quickly as it should.
I suspect once the hardware improves, the platform will be fine! It's just a pity the K850i had to be the runt of the litter! |
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The K850i is now a lot better, but the W890i seems to be a weird mix of firmwares. It has the new location services menu (and GPS support pre-installed) and the new NetFront browser with magnetic mouse pointer, but hasn't got some of the K850i improvements to the UI.
I do wonder how the development teams work to keep all the firmwares in sync when it comes to optimisations and bug fixes. I'm sure it's not easy, but already the A200 devices are a bit of a mish mash and it's hardly that old!!
I was also quite shocked that the audio popping that we had on the W800i has now reappeared on the W890i!
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naveensiva
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On 2008-04-15 22:56:00, DCUK7 wrote:
The media manager is meant to act a bit like the iPod in so much as it builds a database of the music installed on the card and plays from that.
Where it differs from the iPod is that on the iPod the database is compiled and maintained by iTunes so the iPod doesn't need to do any scanning for music. Because the K850i does not work that way (it has no application to manage a database for it) it compiles the database on-the-fly and has to rebuild it after each reboot/shutdown.
The main problem with the phone is that because the hardware is so old and so much like the K800, the new A200 platform coupled with the fact it runs on a whole new version of Java really lags and doesn't run as quickly as it should.
I suspect once the hardware improves, the platform will be fine! It's just a pity the K850i had to be the runt of the litter!
isnt the same thing is done on nokia phones ??? and see them really fast in media manager.... but thier output quality sucks big time...
cant we do anything like we create that database for it ... something that sort... hope its some kinda a small file with all the list of songs...
correct if i am wrong
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blackmagick
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Is this a forum bout k850i or SE vs Nokia??LOL
i'm k850i user and im so much loving it.. i'm a faithful Nokia user ever since i firts owned a mobile phone back i high school. nokia is so user friendly and support both java and symbian platforms but SE is well know for their cybershot and walkman phones that is why i decided to give ot a try.
i was using n95 before the great about it is that is has wifi, a large display and support symbian which allows me to install apps for streaming tv shows but unfortunately the battery drains so fast which isthe biggest downfall.
im using k850i now which has a lot of bugs at first but the phone works great for me now especially with the modded camera and accoustic driver plus it can last up to 3 days.
k850i sound quality now is so much better compare to n95 plus the camera shots like dslr with the modded drivers..
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gayannr
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I'm one of the victims of this A200 + Slower hardware, I own myself a C902 and previously owned a K550 , It's a pain in the a$$ to work with the C902 when it reminds me of the K550 (drools  ) which is as I believe the fastest SE feature phone to date, It had a much faster CPU (ARM 9 @ ~200MHz) compared to ~150MHz of the C902.
The media manager is slower compared to the one had on the K550 ( @ W610) and running few java apps at once didnt slow down the K550 at all, while the C902 having a hard time running even Opera and Nimbuzz while playing music .
Not impressed SE
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