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hgautam
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Hey Mark, sure the current UIQ3 phones lacks many things which should have been there, like EDGE, etc... But the thread's topic, UIQ dyeing??? Not at all close as I said... I agree with the negative points though...
From G700's Review from Mobile Review (Translated from google):
"Sony Ericsson G700 model will be on sale in June of this year. The cost of the phone will be about 300 dollars, which makes it the cheapest automatically smartphone with a touch screen."
See the price??? That can make it a best seller...
"Now turn to the tar, you can not do without. In the device does not support EDGE, for many who did not enjoy the third generation networks, it will be critical. Lack of WiFi looks as weakness on the other side of the older model G900, it is, with a difference of 50 dollars, it is justified. In Sony Ericsson G900 also slightly better camera, its permission 5 - megapixels."
Again, see the price of G900... Another best seller...
"Does the model of direct competitors, devices capable to offer something similar for similar money? I find such models failed."
Some camera pictures from the review (I picked the best ones):
"In sum, I note that Sony Ericsson G700 is one of the strongest proposals in the market. No analogues, and they can appear on only comparable price in a year, and that is too long. There is no built-in GPS receiver, but with the help of external accessories such functionality is achievable, but it is too much for such a device. The developers have tried to create a user-friendly telephone and coped with its task to excellent. Staff surprisingly ladny, convenient. By this model worth carefully, especially if you are not indifferent to the convenience of touch screens."
Something about P-Next as well:
"After all, and worth waiting to buy the next flagship of the company, which will continue to vary the best quality materials (metal), a better camera and sound, a richer bundling (desktop glass memory card)."
Link:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sonyericsson-g700.shtml
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makbil
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Most of us agree that visually and functionally UIQ3 is lagging behind UIQ found in the P900. There are obvious improvements in the background but there is still much work to be done.
I believe the jury is still out with regards to UIQ3, despite SE's blunders so far it still has a chance - but not for long.
I think UIQ (meaning the whole UIQ family including UIQ3/4) has one big advantage, namely touch screen support, that puts it one notch above S60 for the time being. However, this will change very quickly once S60 with touch screen is made available. Hence, the time limit for SE to get its act together.
Touch screen and better build quality was SE's advantage over its main competitor, Nokia. If SE looses its advantage with these two features, I very much doubt they can hold on to the smart phone market.
It's my opinion that Symbian is better suited to mobile applications. Nokia seems to have gotten it right with N95 8 GB, now it is SE who needs to make the effort and catch up, unlike the times of the P900 which was the envy of all competition. Getting custom devices built by other companies is not going to cut it, SE has to look hard on how they got the P900 right and take serious lessons from there.
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dgable
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hardware aside i personally will find it difficult to buy another uiq smartfone with the lack of software support for it. Each time its mentioned somebody claims that the new batch of handsets will bring developers onboard but this hasnt happened when last promised with the m600,w950,p990 and it hasnt happened with the p1 and w960 and before i spend my cash on either of the gseries models id like to have some software i can install on them. Check any warez site or even handango and there is very little uiq 3 software available so whats the point in buying another uiq smart phone when your forced to use it as a dumb phone anyway through lack of software! |
TGor
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On 2008-03-25 08:27:49, MIK-3 wrote:
"stopped to be exited since P900"
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what does that mean? |
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On 2008-03-26 01:01:35, dgable wrote:
hardware aside i personally will find it difficult to buy another uiq smartfone with the lack of software support for it. Each time its mentioned somebody claims that the new batch of handsets will bring developers onboard but this hasnt happened when last promised with the m600,w950,p990 and it hasnt happened with the p1 and w960 and before i spend my cash on either of the gseries models id like to have some software i can install on them. Check any warez site or even handango and there is very little uiq 3 software available so whats the point in buying another uiq smart phone when your forced to use it as a dumb phone anyway through lack of software!
Absolutely right - all the time UIQ languishes on just a handful of only moderate-selling phones, the motivation for anyone to develop for it dwindles away to nothing, and we've long been into a vicious cycle of no software = few users = no development = no software and so on. And before anyone lays into this guy for bringing up warez, you know what? Warez does have a bearing, it's something people look for, and the fact that there's virtually none for UIQ speaks volumes about the attractiveness of the platform. It's been left behind.
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JAGUY85
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There are valid points on both sides here, but one thing is true UIQ may not meet such an early death as many believe. I also concur on the software point. Basic features lacking in non UIQ :se: has found it's way into UIQ such as no way to lock certain areas of the phone. The stock of software is too limited. Well, in anticipation of G series, I sold my P1 yesterday and will play with S60 on Samsung i550w. Wish me luck.
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ares
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there is lack of software, in quantity...however there is quality software...and most my needs are fullfiled...
on other hand...if you want alot of software, the g series is precisely what you should want to see on market...IT WILL sell more than any UIQ phone EVER...because they are much like old kxxx or txxx with smartphone capabilities underneath
once UIQīs installed base make that jump, you will see more software being developed
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Cycovision
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I think there are some valid points there however I think it would be more accurate to say that UIQ 3 is dying rather than UIQ as an entire platform.
You have to remember that the P990 was (and I own and use one!) a bit of a disaster from the word go. It's unfair to judge an entire front-end by it's implementation on just one or two devices. Who's to say that SE won't get their act together and release a smart phone in the near future running an updated version of UIQ that blows all of the other manufacturers phones out of the water?
Wishfull thinking? Maybe. But I still reckon it's far too early to dismiss UIQ as a failed technology. |
ares
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The P1 and W960, and now the G series...are all using plain UIQ3...no, i donīt see it dying right now
However, of course the next devices on the roadmap will use something newer...things work like that...s60 v3 is already going to its 3rd iteration also (fp2)
Untill there is no official english translation, here is babelfish translation of m-r g700 preview...pay attention to what is said...there is alot about UIQīs future and the g series role
http://babelfish.altavista.co[....]view%2fsonyericsson-g700.shtml
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makbil
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On 2008-03-26 10:55:05, ares wrote:
there is lack of software, in quantity...however there is quality software...and most my needs are fullfiled...
I agree with that. Granted, the inventory is nowhere near that of UIQ (P900) but I have found almost all I need, with the exception of Agendus, the UIQ3 version of which is nowhere near that of UIQ or Palm versions.
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ares
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Its a matter of scale...only with UIQ reaching the masses we can see the sofware situation change dramaticaly...thatīs why i was so happy to see the G900 and G700 announced...and if you ask some UIQ devs, like Another Guest, they will tell you exactly that...they are happy to see his move...
I made a quick resume of info retrieved from Eldarīs latest article on english mobile-review, concerning UIQ
http://www.uiqblog.com/2008/0[....]dar-loves-the-g700and-the-z10/
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dgable
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@ Boinng Thanks for the support no one usually acknowledgesd my posts i was beginning to get a complex 
@ Ares I have to admit the G series does interest me as I feel this will address the short comings of the uiq interface that can make it a nightmare to use. But whether this convinces software developers to support uiq 3 remains to be seen.
The thing is there maybe software out there to suit some peoples needs like yourself and many other people but s60 v3 is now at the stage where there is software to support ALL users needs and thats the big difference.
I remember moaning when s60 v3 and uiq 3 were both released that both platforms had no software support but whereas s60 v3 has come forward in leaps and bounds uiq3 has remained pretty much the same.
The only thing I have of any use on my w960 is advanced device locks and tom tom. My N95 8gb has route 66, tom tom and garmin installed incase one nav program cant find the address lol a media safe, smart gauard pro, sms scheduler, sms tones, sms forward, fake caller, best profiles. This is software that i find useful and others may not but i want that choice which i dont have on uiq3.
Please dont think im a sony ericsson basher as im not. I've owned every uiq device apart from the p1i and my favourite phone of all time has to be the p910i. If it had a decent camera i'd still be using one today. This was a handset on the old uiq2 platform that was well supported and didnt leave me feeling like i may as well own an ordinary mobilephone like my w960 does.
I will hold off on the g700/900 when its released but if a wide choice of software becomes available for it ill gladly invest in one.
As it stands my w960 would go before my n95 8gb as the n95 is more useful to me.
The same happened years ago when i had a nokia 3650 and a p800. I sold the p800 as there was no software for it but jumped back on board when i seen all the software available for the p900.
To me It's software at the end of the day that will make or break a smartphone no matter how good it is. Otherwise its just a rather large phone in your pocket that has potential but never shines.
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max_wedge
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On 2008-03-26 15:26:14, ares wrote:
Its a matter of scale...only with UIQ reaching the masses we can see the sofware situation change dramaticaly...thatīs why i was so happy to see the G900 and G700 announced...and if you ask some UIQ devs, like Another Guest, they will tell you exactly that...they are happy to see his move...
I made a quick resume of info retrieved from Eldarīs latest article on english mobile-review, concerning UIQ
http://www.uiqblog.com/2008/0[....]dar-loves-the-g700and-the-z10/
This is a good point, and it would be ironic if a mid-range UIQ ends up being the saviour of the platform 
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ares
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dgable, donīt see why i would think you are a SE basher...i think your opinion is valid...
but do see this: s60 v3 sofware jumped more than uiq3, because of the sheer number of s60 v3 devices and users out there...one cannot expect UIQ3 sofware scene to be like that right now...with the advent of g series, if people used to buy k800, k850, w610, k750 (like max wedge) start buying g900, g700, well, that will surely change
regarding UIQ3 software...there seriously great pieces of code out there, that i use over and over again: tomtom, gdesk, mobipocket reader, sling, shozu, profimail, opera, fring, x-plore, scribler, handy safe, advance device locks, advance call manager, escarpod, core player, swiss manager...and these are just the ones i use every single day...i consider the library to be really decent for a platform that right now is so much smaller than s60 v3 in terms of devices and userbase
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dgable
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@ ares
Yes i see your point nokia has flooded the market with s60 devices so it was inevitable that support would come. Even other manufacturers dabble with s60 most notably samsung and even panasonic on the old s60 with the x700/x800.
Motorola's efforts with the z8 and is the new one called the z10? may help a little if not cause some problems due to their lack of touch interface and there previous gen A1000 helped bring uiq to the attention of 3g users.
Thanks for your list of software ill check them out. (I get bored with phones quickly and look for new software or gadgets to renew my interest in them thats why i've always loved sony ericsson for products like car 100, blue torch, laser pen and mbw 100) I remember installing core player on my w960 as i do have it on my n95 (i forgot to mention it before) but it seemed to interfere with any jpegs i sent to the w960 as when i tried to open any images it tried to use core player to open them and failed so i uninstalled it but ill give it another go.
Back to the point, with the release of these new handsets then maybe more software support will come. I will certainly welcome it and i may actually invest in a p1i as i fancy a phone with a qwerty keypad. ( I looked at an e90 and nearly had a stroke when i seen the prices of them on ebay and you still cant get it free on an Ģ80 contract at the cpw!!) Although i do like the sound of the new user interface which if i remember correctly was promised for the w960 im sure. A firmware update for all us uiq users to this finger friendly user interface would be nice if not wishful thinking
SE's strategy to release midrange smartfone handsets is a good one if they price them right as promised then people will buy them and maybe even people who just like the look of the handset will buy them not knowing they are a smart phone due to handsets like the LG Viewty.
This will all help but its getting to the stage that if they mess this up people will start jumping to other platforms. Im even considering windows mobile just to see whats out there as ive not tried it since my moto mpx200 which also had bugger all for it that interested me lol
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Posted: 2008-03-25 20:35
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
