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MIK-3
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From MiVADiKA.com
It looks like Sony Ericsson performed a suicide to its own platform...
First reason is the very rare models of UIQ devices.
Compared with S60 and the unstoppable announcements from Nokia regarding high end smartphones or multimedia computers even HTC with Windows Mobiles, all of them keep their lines up fresh and always updated with the latest technological standards.
Most importantly the platform stopped to be exited since P900.
P800 was great and revolutionary for its time, even after the many delays P800 did very well and it is what made UIQ a success, P900 it was a P800 with better design, better screen and UIQ 2.1, nothing special but acceptable, P910 was totally outdated when it came out offering nothing new from P900 instep of a very bad QWERTY keyboard, finally the P990 was the disaster of the whole platform taking to the hole everything was UIQ related after that... The major lacks the better competition and mostly the extremely buggy UIQ 3.0 made the P990 a disappointment.
UIQ is meant to be for high end devices at least this is what we learn with P800 but it looks like mother Sony Ericsson still don't get it... Even the latest Sony Ericsson G700 and G900 UIQ based smartphones doesn't even offer QuadBand support with EDGE. If you can't even offer that then...there is nothing to say.
UIQ is a great platform and we hear for many nice additions to its next version. We really hope Sony Ericsson have something nice to announce really soon along with many high end devices base on that.
Totally right...
I miss the good old days...
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OluYom
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One thing is for sure, UIQ3 has some catching up to do. It is difficult to swallow the fact, for example, that till date there isn't a UIQ device with HSDPA implemented! So, I am stuck with a high-end device like the P1i and can't drive beyond 384kbps when my colleagues on s60 have no problems leaving me in the dust.
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Muhammad-Oli
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That article is terribly written and I can hardly understand half of it. But I think it is quite obvious that UIQ is no way near dying, with the release of the G700 and G900 (not G800!!!) Its completely obvious that UIQ is in full development and more models (expanding the range) are expected very very shortly!!!
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hiddensphinx
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On 2008-03-25 08:27:49, MIK-3 wrote:
Totally right...
I miss the good old days...
LOL when is the funeral? |
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said, but symbian wouldn't stand against android os  like WM is over dude |
Mizzle
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This is crap.
May I ask what a G800 UIQ smart phone is??
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gadgetboytom
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On 2008-03-25 09:01:00, AYA wrote:
One thing is for sure, UIQ3 has some catching up to do. It is difficult to swallow the fact, for example, that till date there isn't a UIQ device with HSDPA implemented! So, I am stuck with a high-end device like the P1i and can't drive beyond 384kbps when my colleagues on s60 have no problems leaving me in the dust.
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ares
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BS...Motorola and SE will announce further new UIQ models soon, UIQ Technology has doubled the number of employees recently, etc, can´t see how that is a signal of UIQ´s death.
However, it is a critical time for UIQ. |
mazi
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In my opinion totally false...
instead die UIQ go for glory days for sure in near future after release W960 and P1 and G900/G700 soon and so beibei and P5 we see more and more developers and new programs for sure...
plus Z8/Z10 and others from MOTO...
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OluYom
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On 2008-03-25 10:34:05, gadgetboytom wrote:
On 2008-03-25 09:01:00, AYA wrote:
One thing is for sure, UIQ3 has some catching up to do. It is difficult to swallow the fact, for example, that till date there isn't a UIQ device with HSDPA implemented! So, I am stuck with a high-end device like the P1i and can't drive beyond 384kbps when my colleagues on s60 have no problems leaving me in the dust.
Not heard of the Z8 and the Z10 then?
My bad. Got UIQ3 and SE mixed up in the heat of the moment.
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*sigh* Where do all these "the hardware doesn't say OMAP, and the phones are not specifically targeted at the fifteen richest CEOs in the world, so the platform is dead" lines come from? I swear to god, there's got to be some retard writing them and posting (in horrible english) everywhere on the net.
Seriously, there's no other explanation.
In any case - The problem with UIQ is that they're too beholden to their customers, or SE. So if their customers, like SE, decides to ruin the platform with sub- par solutions, then UIQ looks bad. But fortunately for SE, it seems that this retard who writes the "OMAP or bust" narrative all over the net, doesn't understand that it's SE who programs the solutions on the top of the system. Because, you see, he's speaking for "the masses", who are also retards. And since that means all their customers are idiots, that means SE apparently thinks they should switch platforms in order to.. I suppose.. avoid actually working on the code, and ruin another platform. Because it doesn't matter if it says OMAP, or at least gets the stamp of approval from the retard in the basement by being "high- end". You know, if it has 513, or 514(!)Mhz. Who cares about UI solutions if it's 514Mhz! Woot!
I wonder how that's going to work out. Really, don't tell me, I want it to be a suprise when the x1 comes out... Not that it /can/ be a failure if it has OMAP! of course.. Because, I suppose, the vast majority of smartphone users really only use their phones as a modem, anyway. Obviously.
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It may descend into terrible english, but the article still makes a valid point. UIQ has never since hit the same height as the P800/P900, and has yet to recover from the debacle of the P990. Most other smartphone OS's are going through a period of rapid progression and heavy competition, but the only UIQ phones SE has announced for this year are basically rehashes of the same tech they were peddling in 2005/6, albeit with a suitable price cut and repositioning to the lower end of the market. Not bad phones in themselves, but not enough to maintain any kind of momentum in UIQ development. The G series looks more like a UIQ3 fire sale.
I'm sure some amazing announcements may well be just around the corner, but it's all getting a bit too late in the day. S60 will have touch support soon, Android will be making an impact, the Iphone is still growing, and Windows Mobile 7 is likely to be a strong contender too. The number of people who care about UIQ4 is dwindling by the day, and has been for the last year or more.
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hgautam
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LOL!!! Please change the thread's topic.... It's not even close to the real situation...
Even though UIQ3/P990 were a disaster in the begining, have still managed to get popular enough and if sales are to be consirdered then P990 and P1 msut be the highest selling UIQ phones ever... Also, G700 and G900 are mid-high end and not high end phones and will sell a lot too...
Anyways, P-Next might be announced soon, so we will see how dying UIQ is... LOL!!!!! |
Dogmann
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Hi all
Well the only ones that seem to believe all is fine are those that can't bear to even look at a device if it's not from SE/UIQ and how ever much you want to remain blinkered to the missing tech in their devices it is obvious to the rest of us.
@Nipesen
It's not just about the weak chip although this is the main reason that UIQ is missing HSDPA, you seem to of conveniently forgotten your discussion with Michal over at My Symbian G Series thread where he explains very clearly why although he considers UIQ a superior platform it is suffering from a lack of up to date hardware. Also i wouldn't call anyone that doesn't agree with you as a retard as that just makes you look like one.
@all
Michal Jerz manages to make these points better than i could so i would advise some of you to read the G series thread at this link and see what is being said about what is missing from UIQ and why it actually does matter.
http://mysymbian.com/forum/vi[....]tdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
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It's a fair point that the UIQ devices have not been at the high end with the hardware.
And it's also true that the software that comes with the phones isn't the most impressive.. visually, at least. While they also have some very annoying lacks and limitations.
And the developer- tools and the documentation for UIQ are.. difficult to agree with. Specially when some of the apis are undocumented or non- existent. That's sort of a bummer.
It's also obviously some ways off before UIQ will be able to incorporate hardware- acceleration in their UI and menu- system, without losing too much resources. So the really flashy UIs the next few months will probably belong to WM and Apple, even if it won't really be anything new. That is all true.
But to suggest this has something to do with how well UIQ can perform as a system - not so much. Never mind that it's perfectly possible to create an efficient message- application on a 200Mhz cpu - if you at least try to think about efficient code. Or that the ideal market- segment for SE's UIQ devices would be around the parts where people will want a smartphone.. with some useful sync and planner functions - but without the hangs and the needed daily recharge, even on moderate use. Or for those who still want to have a phone, and not a heavy brick (specifically about SE's lineup, I mean).
But it's still the case that the biggest weakness in UIQ is the lack of care with the manufacturer- specific implementations so far (and the exclusive control to some apis UIQ gives those manufacturers).
So while I obviously agree that the largest part of development, and money in development, will be, and always is - with the latest and greatest attempts to expand the "green flashing button, or red flashing button" theme. For example into 3d red and green buttons with animations, and so on... That's not really suggesting anything about the market potential for a slightly less visually astounding device - after the programs on it would be coded properly, at least.
It's also the case that anything materially different from what we have now is not going to turn up very soon. So again we're left with that the argument really is: because a device does not have OMAP and 3d screens on it - it must be useless, and spell the doom for the platform it runs on - because noone would want to develop for a platform that's "lagging behind". And I think that's ridiculous.
Connectivity- options is another thing, of course. And we all hope mobile and wireless data- transfer is going to be cheaper and more available soon, so that's something SE should be reacting to sooner rather than later. That has nothing to do with the platform, though. Just like don't having an UIQ device with a large processor somehow limits the development of that platform.
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