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darrengf
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I agree @aqualung, However I think SE now needs new management altogether in all departments.
They need to think more on plastic quality, functions and userablitly,
I miss my K810 and K800. Never had any problems with them or a replacement.
So far ive had 5 K850i and ive lost my faith in SE products. | |
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mario2004
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Hmmm . . . nice to see 'die-hard' se fans waking up to the reality of 2008 cell market.
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dr_thug
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@darknoob,there is CES in few days,and SE is participating...when they are putting their money for this big show,why not show couple of new models??And then keep some other phones for 3GSM??
@Peterkay,we all saw a lot of 'i have seen the future  ' from you in the past year...but so far they were disappointing.Does the 2008 line up have anything exciting,anything other manufacturers have not yet marketed?Anything that will surprise us and the competition??
@hgautam,agree that SE may have good low end phones,but when people upgrade from entry level,they get impressed by their entry nokias,their friends and relatives advice them for nokias,the salesman pushes for nokia(more margin)...and now its Shah rukh khan,the new brand ambassador of nokia,India.For any crap to sell,aggressive marketing is needed and SE is poor at any marketing.
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islandprd
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On 2008-01-02 20:04:27, PeterKay wrote:
2008 is  's Year.
The line up is looking good
Keep the faith dudes.
Probably toward the mid to end 2008? The 5 models going to be announced here are mid to low end. Not really exciting |
aqualung
Joined: Dec 02, 2005
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dr_thug, you've started a good thread with many valid points.
Aside from the "good product line-up" PerKay is slyly hinting at, SE need to do a few more things.
They need to put a lot of effort into quality control on both hardware and software fronts. Products with great specs that are shoddily implemented are worse than no product at all.
They need to make more of an effort at expanding their online presence - stop being so coy with the online communities and interact more directly with them. Online is where it's at, guys !
Customer and after sales service also really needs to be improved.
So, a "good product line-up" is really only half the work done.
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hgautam
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@hgautam,agree that SE may have good low end phones,but when people upgrade from entry level,they get impressed by their entry nokias,their friends and relatives advice them for nokias,the salesman pushes for nokia(more margin)...and now its Shah rukh khan,the new brand ambassador of nokia,India.For any crap to sell,aggressive marketing is needed and SE is poor at any marketing.
That is why I said that I agree with you on poor marketing and SE bombed but my only problem was you said Nokia had better phones in the low end and especially the low end Z series were lacking. Well Z550 as I said is a great value for money. 
And, Shah Rukh Khan is not yet a brand ambassador for Nokia like Hrithik or abhishek for SE and Moto. He just did an Ad which promoted Nokia's past 10 yrs. in the life of Indian people. But I was expecting him. |
hgautam
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@dr_thug
If you agree with me then why not edit you first post??? |
makbil
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SE needs better management...
If the next P model will not have a flip and proper keyboard then why stick with SE? There are plenty of other devices out there by companies that are willing and able to give much better customer support, keep improving their products and care about what their customers think.
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mode
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P990 was a disaster for SE[/b].First the bad phone(delayed,bugs,bugs,restarts....) and then to put salt on wound,"we find the phone perfect to use,but if you don't like it,buy a P1i" (and some people actually listened to that and bought a P1  ).P1i was the saving grace of the P series(but i wont brand it a P series..don't want to stir another debate,just my opinion).I also found that the price has been drastically reduced.I bought my P990 for Rs 35k...after a year,price now is Rs12k..no wonder i saw my barber using one the other day.
So the Next P series is a slider?double slider?thin?Whatever it looks like,i am sure it will have a big screen like its competitors.A big blank black screen covering 90% of the front of a phone leaves 10% for the designer to work around.IMO,P series needs a flip.The keypad gives a character to the phone.On the feature,software aspects,hope SE learned its lessons with P990 and competition(HTC,nokia,apple..)
You seem like a p-series flip lover yourself, check out this thread
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=161842
Anyway, that was a very well thought and executed post, we all hope there's a big reshuffle in SE's R&D dept and an improvement of attitude pertaining to consumer sentiments. I've been using Ericsson/SE since the analog phone days and I've always used each of the phones for at least a year simply because they were great and exactly what I needed at the time. SE has always kept me on my toes with their new portfolios and I love that feeling, but I felt it last 2 years ago when they announced the P990. I bought it a year ago and it is still giving me all that I want eventhough it has been a rollercoaster ride since then, but if nothing tickles my fancy at the end of my device's lifecycle, then I would have to say adios SE, because I should save my loyalty to those who appreciate it.
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dr_thug
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@hgautam,i never said that any low end nokia is better than any SE phone.I am not comparing any specific SE model to any competition except the K850 i compared with Viwety.About the flips,i said that low end flips were nice...but i was missing the high end flips that SE abandoned making after the Z800.
What i said was that SE should have tried to make their low end phone the K750 and W800(their best low end hardware) really cheap(from Rs 8k to around Rs6-6.5k) and make few clones of it(flip/slider) with design changes and few feature changes.Anything below this feature-price range,(1)people blindly trust nokia,(2)SE uses cheaper materials,poor lcd screens etc(which makes any customer want to try another brand when he upgrades)..and (3)needs lots of marketing(dealer margin).
I thought nokia had singed up SRK as their ambassador in India when i saw that 1 page ad on TOI.IMO,SE are not exploiting Hritikh to the limit.SE should be more visible to people...should participate more in sponsoring sports and music events(since they are not spending any money on R&D)...not just women's wimbledon.
@aqualung,Thanks
I agree with you,that SE should actively interact with their online customers.SE's rude attitude of not listening to their online customers was evident from your thread in SE dev forum asking for future firmware updates for P990.And SE's cold shoulder to the Open letter.
@mode,i am with you...P990 was not a joy ride...something below satisfactory.But i learned to live with it as feature wise,its one of its kind.But not again with my next phone.If theres is nothing from SE that interests me later this year,its adios SE.
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I totally disagree about swivels. At least in terms of the S710a, it's the worst form factor ever. Opening/closing is beyond awkward. The phone is very bulky. And even though the keypad is hidden away, the remaining keys must still be locked, so what was the point in the first place?
Also, the division of "Cybershot" and "Walkman" phones suits me perfectly. I absolutely do not want a dedicated music player on my phone (until a better iPhone comes out, anyway), so why make me pay for one? OTOH, I do make use of the camera. Thus Cybershot models (with their limited music playing abilities) are perfect. The converse is true for music lovers who don't need more than a very basic camera with them.
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w999ismine
Joined: Apr 18, 2007
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nokia makes a top spec handset.....se tries to better it slightly......nokia copies it and betters it 2 weeks after the se anouncement........
thats the story with se they make a handset nokia easily beats, as they dont fill all the gaps. walkman cant have a really good camara. cyber-shot cant have really good music funtions, as they will cancell each other out. se tried to act smart by getting all of sonys mega brands, but all they did is seperate the feature segments for their portfollio. nokia can make an all-in-one handset(n95), but if se make a generic all in one then what is the point of the high end cyber-shots and walkmans. |
hgautam
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@dr_thug
On 2008-01-03 16:03:48, dr_thug wrote:
@hgautam,i never said that any low end nokia is better than any SE phone.
Please read your own post, here is what you said (in bold):
dr_thug wrote:
Heres my take on each Series.
J Series and low end K and Z Series
SE entered the low end phones(in India) at the wrong time.Previously,for people who buy a low end colour screen phone,the basics were colour screen,radio..and maybe a vga camera.People liked new colour wallpapers and nice ringtones etc.When SE entered the new low end phone,nokia had changed the definition of low end which now became vga-2mpx cam(non autofocus),bit larger screen,radio,few mp3s(sd cards are cheap compared to MS).
hgautam wrote:
- SE K510 (cheaper than Nokia's cheapest 1.3MP camera phone by almost 1k, used K510)...
- SE W200/Nokia 5200, W200 is cheaper...
- SE Z550/ Nokia 3110, Z550 is cheaper and has a better display resolution and size (Even better value for money, used Z550)...
You said Nokia changed the definition of low end which is just not right!!! And I haven't said all SE are better than Nokia's, only amongst those I have used, you can read the above points...
dr_thug wrote:
What SE needed was K750 and W800 at cheaper prices to attract nokia users. Anything below this model (SE are bad at and use poor quality), people trust and swear by nokia's superiority.
My first post on this topic states that even below K750 SE's models are good and I have personally experienced that SE's phones have better quality (if you mean build quality) than Nokia (some exceptions like 6300)...
Now you got it???
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mode
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This is a great thread, what is it doing on the 3rd page this early. It should be made a sticky imo
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dr_thug
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@hgautam,what i meant by my comments are that SE should quit making mobiles below the level of K750i.I accept that my thoughts were not clearly expressed.SE quit making colour phones long ago.Sony is looked at as a premium company...keep the status.SE should only operate from the price of K750 onwards.Quit anything lower.Or else give the below K750 market to Sagem(after buying 50% of it) without any SE branding on them.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 23:35
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
