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Why flip should still be implemented in at least 1 UIQ3.x platform |
mode
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Well, I started this topic mainly because there are 2 biggest possibilities (and hopes) regarding SE's next flagship smartphone's hardware text input styles namely 1. Flip with Qwerty underneath 2. Dual Function Keyboard. I believe that while the dual function keyboard is paving way for a new breed of text input method, the flip is still very much relevant for the reasons below:
1. Choice between touchscreen and non-touchscreen UI which no other manufacturer are offering making all Pxx0 units unique to this day
2. Saves battery with Flip Closed since the display screen has less area to light up
3. Gives true one handed navigation using ONLY ONE THUMB, just like any other non-touchscreen phones with navi-pads
4. Attracts a wider range of consumers, those who want to use a high-end smartphone device but with the simplicity of a normal phone, tech savvy consumers, people who want to have a choice of dramatically changing the outlook of their phones occasionally, etc.
5. Flip is stylish and has a romantic touch to the phone that compliments the 'brains' it contains
6. The possibility of creating other uses for the flip ie, mirror at the back of the flip for the ladies, etc.
7. *fill in the blanks if you flip fans have anything more to say*
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Dogmann
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Hi Mode,
Whilst i fully understand why you and many others both like and wish to retain the flip for all the reasons you have given above, it does appear that what we all think of as P Series devcie with it's look and functionality is now a thing of the past.
The P1 defiantly does not retain the format we were used to and from all that has been said about the P5 and the photo shops we have seen whilst not being exactly as it is if it is in that style i really don't see how the flip could still be incorporated in that design. It does appear that the flip may be gone for good and that IMO may well disappoint a lot of past users.
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Dups!
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From the days of the R380 I loved and still love the flip. I'm bitterly disappointed that the p series is to be an ordinary phone (design wise) without the flip. |
G. I.
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Flip is dead. Get over it. |
iksplusipsilon
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Hmm ... although I was really big fan of the flip for years, I think that it is just not indispensable any more ... don't think that one handed operation will be a problem in a device similar to sealover's concept, maybe we'll have to use touchscreen a bit more ...  ... ( + it is starting to look too '90's )
5-way jog dial is a totaly different matter, of course
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The flip didn't help to save battery, and made the programmers design the applications twice (flip+no flip) which accounts for the lack of flip close support from so many apps.
Interestingly the same is happening for landscape support on UIQ3, which is disapointing... |
makbil
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@mode, you very clearly have explained the reasons why I still want the flip. @Dogmann, unfortunately although I tried a few times, I just can't get used to the awkward keyboard design of the P1. I also can't understand why they got rid of the lens cover.
Anyway, if SE decides to go with a different form factor from now on, then I guess there is no need to stick to SE. There are plenty of other manufacturers out there who do a much better job of supporting their products.
I guess I will stick with my P990 until new technology comes to a level that makes it inconvenient not to have it.
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@makbil
Good point to wait until it will be unconvinient not to have it.
I wait too, for a new P.
I hope it will surprise you positively, too. |
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| Saves battery with Flip Closed since the display screen has less area to light up |
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Just a small correction: the whole screen is lit in FC mode as well.
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AD
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The standard keypad is a tried and tested, and thus refined method of use, the problem with a flipless design is that there simply isn't the history of develpment behind the UI. This means that there's no standard, cross platform method of use, and implies a learning curve for the new user. I think therefore that it should be kept as an option, but there also needs to be a lot more R&D into the touchscreen UI.
I also REALLY miss the 5-way jog dial, and the only reason for eliminating it, as far as I can see, is cost...a shame when they're not charging any less for thier phones. |
Aware
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Yes, the screen is lit...but the OS still uses less power, as it knows every pixel underneath the flip is static(uncoloured, unchanging) - unless the flip is opened, of course......
I agree with points 1) and 3) whole heartedly, mode......
...unfortunately, as Dogmann points out(thanks Marc), it seems SE have decided the flip should go(obviously too much effort to keep developing UIQ like this...even though SE could EASILY have made ALL apps workable in EITHER FO or FC mode(it really isn't THAT hard if you know the OS), like Nokia's E90...they've decided to drop the whole idea instead(because everyone wants a slider, like N95?? Ok...) - well done  )......
...which leaves the greatly ergonomic P1/W960(one handed use?? Right...)...which is also why I, like makbil, still keep my P990 round my neck like a lodestone...it's quite possibly, despite it's shortcomings, the LAST 'true'(going by SEs original moniker of 'Phone-PDA') P-series we'll ever see...more's the pity......
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aqualung
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mode and others
Absolutely agree with you. What I have seen of the P5 concepts as a slider doesn't interest me at all.
Although I'm much happier with the P1 performance in terms of it's multitasking, and I've gotten used to the qwerty keypad, I still prefer the flip style of the P990 and predecessors.
(My decision to go with the P1 was based purely on the need for more RAM, which won by a slim margin over ergonomics.)
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OffLineR
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I'm just going to say one little thing about this topic.
I like the flip on P9XX series but I have to admit with flip the phone seems ugly and cheap. On the other hand P1i seems quite stylish.
I think  made its point here. wants the customers who buys nokia or other products just for their style and I think that was a brilliant move.
With P1i, everybody gets amazed with its design and features. But with P9XX, they only see the phone as another blackberry or PDA copy.
So P1i rules and I hope bring something like sealover designs
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makbil
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So it's fashion vs. function then.. I've never been much for fashion and it's too bad that some functionality will have to be sacrificed for the sake of fashion.
As @Aware has pointed out, a new breed of flipless designs will be PDA-phones rather than the Phone-PDA's that the P9xx series has been all about, a different concept all together...
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OffLineR
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I think both concepts are (PDA-phone and phone-PDA) has thier own customer profiles.
Probably you are right about at least one UIQ should have a flip desing. But as you know that segment became very competitive in last few years. is definitely struggling coping up with it. So then they have to focus on one of the PDA-phone or phone-PDA segments. And I'm sure that phone-PDA's should have a great fashionable design with all the techological features.
I don't know right now but when P9XX series were published had sale problems whereas nokia was gaining more and more.
IMO firstly, should impress people with its phone-PDA's. People will buy it because of their desing, because of features that come with; than they will love PDA features among with phone features.
After the phone-PDA brand recognition than should move to the PDA-phone designs. And it seems like is well aware of the situation.
Oww, I've talked to much (rubbish)
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Posted: 2007-12-29 17:39
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
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