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vegetaleb
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I am a loyal SE customer since the T68 but I must admit the k850 is an ugly phone + it doesnt have nor gps nor wifi + smaller screen(i am a heavy wap user) ...So I decided to wait that the k850 is officially out to check the real price,if it comes out more than 600$ so I will get a n95,less than 600$ I will wait 2~3 weeks and get a k850 |
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mib1800
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@razec
Want to see washed out pictures of K850 compared to N95. See below.
http://www.phonedaily.com/news/?news_id=6166
K850 photo failed miserably compared to N95 in daylight. Only in total darkness K850 excel. Look at skin color of girl and you can see how bad the color (or lack of color) that K850 produce.
http://smape.com/en/reviews/n[....]Ericsson_K850ivsNokia_N95.html
N95 produce more natural color picture than K850 which tends to distort all shades of red into pink. And K850 picts are more burry and noisy.
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razec
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On 2007-10-26 05:59:00, mib1800 wrote:
@maxwedge
@razec
Want to see washed out pictures of K850 compared to N95. See below.
http://www.phonedaily.com/news/?news_id=6166
K850 photo failed miserably compared to N95 in daylight. Only in total darkness K850 excel. Look at skin color of girl and you can see how bad the color (or lack of color) that K850 produce.
http://smape.com/en/reviews/n[....]Ericsson_K850ivsNokia_N95.html
N95 produce more natural color picture than K850 which tends to distort all shades of red into pink. And K850 picts are more burry and noisy.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-10-26 05:14 ]
you must have read this before making a conclusion matey:
Following the subway theme, let’s give another glimpse of portrait shooting indoors. One might expect N95 win here as well, but much to our astonishment it was K850i that produced a considerably better photo save for a bit blurry background. Look how N95 camera renders the hair – it’s overcome with artifacts, besides the face is blurred which is clearly not the case of K850i.
again, same post processing exist in N95's camera that's why it could oversharpen and oversaturate the image to make it better looking than K850. this was clearly evident when the review of the second link said this: "The SE phone produced a more vague image that looks like it needs some editing to match the superb photo taken with N95. The latter displayed a bad habit of processing the image just a bit too intensely, but still the photo is as good as it comes. " this algorithm has really an advantage, you could hide some overexposed details and sharpen any blurred objects with that, as shown by GSMArena comparison review when N95 and K850 captured the same bench under a strong lighting. From this hypothesis we can derive the conclusion overprocessing-algorithm always takes advantage over K850 when shooting against bright background. improving dynamic range and can render better colors by 60%. but the price is unacceptable, detail lost and jagged edges are more evident. and this can never be corrected anymore by photoshoppings or anything. K850 on the other hand tries to naturalize the colors by it's natural processing algorithm which in fact reveals the weakness of the all CMOS sensors. but this can be corrected by picture editing without heavy detail loss as compared to N95.
you would also notice that in every review many reviewers mention that K850 has more noise than N95, again the overprocessing works for N95 as it's shield to this kind of criticism. I don't know why people always stare on this issue. Nokia's processing trick has been witnessed since N73 vs K800 test.
Nokia and SE uses the same CMOS sensor, but the differences in color saturation as seen in those images were caused primarily by the algorithm used by each phones. K850 uses the natural algorithm but with the sensor weakness it can't be as good as the one captures by a CCD like imobile 902. N95 however used that kind of processing to achieve those colors but in reality if N95 used the same algorithm SE used you term washed-out on k850 would be the same in the case of N95. 
those two things: over sharpening and oversaturation make Nokia's trick successful. again you may look at my early post to prove you how inconsistent that kind of algorithm could be. it can make good shots but without a big percentage of possibilities that you can achieve real excellent results. this has been proven by almost all reviewers out there like mobile-review and so on.
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Sammy_boy
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i hope this isn't turning into another nokia vs se debate! I'll stay neutral there as generally have an se bias.. But posting this from my n95!
I'd say go 4 one, mine's brilliant, tho batt life sucks a bit. U can get a nearly new one now for about 200 quid or so, u get a lot of phone for that!
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vegetaleb
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About battery life,how bad it's?
For exemple I charge the battery of my K800 every 48h now that it's 1 year and 1/4 old and I just use 40 mins of wap every day so if it's the same with the n95 it's far to be a problem for me
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BobaFett
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when i tested n95, i had to charge it every day. lets say some calls, wifi usage, gps and playing with it around, well, its weak, when i compare it with my e60. one thing is sure, at really heavy usage the batt is done in 18-20 hours
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my phone barely made it through the day when i had mine (had 2 at different times, batt was bad on both)  you have the option to buy a spare battery though... but i didnt want to spend the money, and didnt want to charge twice a day, so sold them off...... good phone none the less the n95, just the build quality was not the greatest.
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Sammy_boy
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Indeed, the build quality, especially round the slider mechanism is not brilliant. I find my battery lasts around 1-2 days, if I don't do much with my phone I can go 2 days between charges, but a bit of wifi, pictures, a few calls and texts and I'm charging it 24 hours later!
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mib1800
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@razec:
What other conclusion can there be?? 
From smape review (read the bold words  )
"....Sony Ericsson were able to design a well-balanced 5 Mpix camera phone which isn’t bad at all at taking pictures but it has very few advantages over the N95 while the latter was able to beat its competitor in quite a number of tests."
Of course, under some situations N95 was behind. As a whole, N95 camera still comes out on top in many more situations. E.g.
"....shooting darker objects against a bright background. Looks like K850i nearly failed the task: "
"...The N95 produced a more saturated image with a realistic color rendering. All the small details are still easily distinguishable in the picture which scores it a few more points leaving K850i behind with its blurred and light-struck photos. "
"..It’s easily recognized when you compare the pictures to those taken with a N95 – while the latter keeps the details sharp and colorful, the K850i gives a dull and blurry image. "
"...blaming Nokia handsets for taking unnaturally colored photos. The popularity of this belief is quite comparable to its wrongness. There might be something to it, by so far we’ve only encountered vivid and bright colours in N95 pictures but those by no means looked unreal or unnatural....So it turns out that actually it’s the SE phone that indulges in such a vice as unnatural color rendering – if not always, then at least in a good number of cases. While The N95 image post-processing algorithm does a good job making picture more bright and deep, the K850i tends to corrupt the photos in a way. "
"...Take a closer look at the Kremlin star, especially the ornament. N95 makes it possible to recognize details while K850i gives a good deal of blurring. It becomes quite clear which of the two actually corrupts details… "
"Quite a plain picture, but what makes it interesting is the auto ISO adjustment system - note the amount of noise in the K850i picture and it’ll become clear that N95 does the job much better. We advise the owners of K850i to do ISO adjustments manually, there’s no use relying on the automatics. "
"K*50..abundance of yellow is but a corruption of its normally white lightning as seen in real life. N95 did the job quite well, the photos sporting a better detail and color depth"
"The SE phone produced a more vague image that looks like it needs some editing to match the superb photo taken with N95. The latter displayed a bad habit of processing the image just a bit too intensely, but still the photo is as good as it comes. "
wrt to picture of girl in phonedaily review, you may be right that K850 picked up more details of the hair BUT then the K850 overall photo is still horribly colored compared to N95.
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C905
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what about this conclusion from mobile-review.com
Frankly speaking, I didn’t love the twist in ergonomics, missing shutter and these switches. But my experience of a few thousands of shots tells me that it is not a big deal. The handset is easy to master, so it looks quite adequate as a replacement for a real (wanted to write “handset” – Mr. Freud?) camera. If you value truly photographic quality of snaps – look no further, this model has no alternatives. In all conscience I have to admit that the Nokia N95 over the past 6 months has become the most popular 5 Mpix equipped device, but the Sony Ericsson K850i is not only on its heels, it also surpasses it in the imaging department (that’s our only focus now).
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max_wedge
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You can find the answer you want depending on the review you read
Personally I prefer the minimialist processing of the K850 - as it is obvious to me that the K850 captures more actual detail than the N95. This is more important to me than other factors (I am happy to post process myself when necessary)
This same dichotomy applies to K750/N70 conmparisons
The phone daily shots are not a good example - the outdoor shots (both K850 and N95) all have white sky - so I can only assume it was overcast as I have seen bluesky shots from both cameras.
However the inside and flash shots of the K850 are generally better than the N95 examples shown at phone daily, but the N95 colour is more saturated and therefore more vibrant. Also N95 reds are better than K850.
Overall, even in the phone daily review, I feel the K850 is the better camera. And if both N95 and K850 photos are post processed, the K850 will be considerably better due to the increased detail available prior to processing.
Both phones print great pictures even at 8x10 or larger, but if you are only printing at 4x6 or 5x7, the N95 will less often require post processing compared to the K850. So for the point and shoot camera phone user, who wants to take a photo and print to a photo kiosk straight from the phone, the N95 does have an advantage.
This advantage can actually be eliminated by modding camera drivers (colour and noise can be tweaked by camrivers), and for K750 and K800 you can actually have the best of both worlds.
But camdriver modding isn't for everyone.
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mib1800
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max_wedge:
Overall, even in the phone daily review, I feel the K850 is the better camera.
Well, only if you are a zombie and you dig the "dead" skin color of the girl in the shots taken by K850.
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razec
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On 2007-10-27 04:34:25, mib1800 wrote:
max_wedge:
Overall, even in the phone daily review, I feel the K850 is the better camera.
Well, only if you are a zombie and you dig the "dead" skin color of the girl in the shots taken by K850.
if that's the real skin tone of the girl then why would you complain?
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mib1800
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On 2007-10-27 05:52:54, razec wrote:
if that's the real skin tone of the girl then why would you complain?
only dead people have that kind of skin tone and the girl in the picture does not look dead to me. |
shug
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Don't get too hung up on the camera. The fact is - if the cameras are so close that you can argue at length over which is best then as a phone the N95 blows the K850 out the water. |
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Posted: 2007-10-26 02:12
