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Re "cool fuel" the FIA tech guys would have a fairly good idea of the degree of the "cheating" (no pun intended) and that is why they decided it did not require a penalty.
I belive Kimi is a very deserving champion and offer my congratulations.
What was funny, was seeing "Bernie" stumbling over his words during Martin Brundle’s grid walk, but make NO mistake he and plenty of others in F1 did NOT want Hamilton winning the title this year under ANY circumstances.
F1 has had poor audience figures for quite a few years now, and a lot of the sponsors were getting really shitty about a constantly rising "ticket price" whilst being faced with falling “returns” due to low viewer figures.
Those at the top in F1 got an unexpected bonus when Lewis came along and they desperately need Hamilton to provide good TV figures for as long as possible, result, the sponsors are in a better frame of mind.
Strange as it may seem Mc Claren will also probably do far better from him losing this year, Although they have been unable to provide their sponsors with either the 2007 constructors or drivers championship (most wont be that worried), they have been able to offer them unequalled media interest in Hamilton which has of course translated into a bonanza of exposure for all their sponsors, and McClaren need that to continue for as long as possible, The media will be following Lewis as closely in 2008 as they did in 2007 the will he wont he debate will be as big next as it ever was this time around.
If Hamilton had won this year they would have had less to sell those all important sponsorship deals off the back of in 2008, (which is much more important to any team than a driver wining the drivers world championship!) Plus they will not have to pay him World Champions money just yet either!
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fatreg
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Us Brits do however have the world superbike champion..
James Toseland won that this weekend 
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arien617
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Shame it's difficult for us to win anything without making our public go crazy...
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Yup, there's an ONGOING investigation . . . re:FUEL issues. If ever, the verdict will be in FAVOR of: Lewis Hamilton . . . he will be elated from 7th place to nth, thus . . . giving him MORE winning points which will eventually CATAPULT his current points-standing, resulting for him to WIN the 2007 Driver-of-the-Year Award, 2 points OVER Kimi Raikkonen  If so, I guess this is a VERY first in the F1 History . . . making Lewis Hamilton both the: Rookie-of-the-Year and Driver-of-the-Year for this season !
I was quite surprised to SEE  the GREAT: Mika Hakkinen in the Brazilian Race the F1 cam was focused to him during the latter part of the race looks like Mike Schumacher's-nemesis back then is planning for a return-of-the-comeback in the Formula 1 race . . . next year/season  !
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aldrinus
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@Jojo:
i believe Mika is currently racing in the FIA Touring Car series...
he was probably in Brazil either to lend support to his former team McLaren or his "kababayan" Kimi...
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I very much doubt that Hamilton would accept the title if offered it now.He would wnt to win it on the track not by default.
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I have no doubt that Hamilton would accept the title and the entry in the record books that goes with it for youngest ever World Champion.
I find it offensive that McLaren would accuse anyone of cheating after thier behaviour this year and I think it is fitting that Hamilton and Alonso end up on equal points!
I think the current management should change the name of the team as they do not deserve to use the name of the much loved and admired former owner, New Zealander Bruce McLaren (died 2 June, 1970).
At least Vodafone (and  ) are supporting one decent, winning, team
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McLaren's Lewis Hamilton said he wanted to win the Formula One title on the track, not weeks later on appeal.
"It would be wrong," said the 22-year-old Briton, still suffering the effects of a heavy night out after letting the title slip from his grasp by one point in Sunday's season-ending race in Brazil.
"For me, I want to win it on the track," he said. "You want to do it in style, you want to win the race, you want to win battling it out for the lead or something in the race.
"Being promoted after some people have been thrown out is not the way I want to do it."
The rookie and title favourite before Sunday's race, lost out to Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen after finishing seventh on a nightmare afternoon at Interlagos.
Raikkonen won the race but the Finn's first title was overshadowed by a stewards' enquiry into the three cars that finished ahead of Hamilton.
McLaren have said they intend to appeal against the stewards' subsequent decision not to penalise Williams' Nico Rosberg and BMW Sauber's Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica for fuel temperature irregularities.
The aim would be to lift Hamilton above them in the classification, securing the points he needs to become champion instead.
The Briton, winner of four races in a sensational debut season, said he would feel uncomfortable with that.
"It would feel weird after Kimi did such a fantastic job in the last two races," he said.
"He won yesterday and to have it taken away is a bit cruel and probably not good for the sport."
Hamilton, who had led team-mate and double world champion Fernando Alonso by four points and Raikkonen by seven before Interlagos, paid tribute to his team and supporters.
"Last night was good and (team boss) Ron (Dennis) did a speech and we had a great evening and just sort of rounded up the whole year," he said.
"It has been a phenomenal year and the support from the team makes it just a real pleasure for me to be a part of the team.
"I'm extremely proud of them and extremely proud of my family and everyone that's just supported me to get me where I am today.
"Later on in the evening yesterday I felt it (the defeat) more for sure, it's tough on everyone but there's always another year," said Hamilton.
"I'm only 22, there's going to be plenty more opportunities for me to win the world championship and I have no doubt that we can do that in the future."
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Which leads me to believe that he hoped McLaren boss Ron Dennis would not appeal the FIA decision. However, Ron Dennis, in a display of wonton self-centeredness couldn't take the hint. If the decision is overturned on appeal and the championship is handed to Hamilton, would he turn it down? I doubt it very much! If so, why show up next year for another go?
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well, you can only fairly win it on the track if everyone obeys the same rules
so if the apeal is won and they decide these 3 cars did break the rules, then he has every right to claim the championship and be satisfied with it
and after all, did Ferrari not win the constructors championship due to off-track proceedings?
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On 2007-10-24 13:36:43, masseur wrote:
...and after all, did Ferrari not win the constructors championship due to off-track proceedings?
And rightly so.
I don't think there is any doubt that the three cars broke the rules. The question the FIA has before them is: Which is the lesser evil - the three cars remaining in the classification or McLaren benefitting from it's driver winning the Championship?
I've become dissillusioned with F1 in recent seasons with the rediculous situation at the US Grand Prix a couple of years ago and the turmoil within my favourite team (Honda) with management changes, being banned for two races with loss of points accumulated, and Jenson Button's 'I'm going to Williams/Now I want to stay at Honda' soap opera.
I think the whole F1 environment breeds a its own sort of madness these days. My god I miss those Prost and Senna v The Rest days...
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On 2007-10-24 13:55:13, carkitter wrote:
On 2007-10-24 13:36:43, masseur wrote:
...and after all, did Ferrari not win the constructors championship due to off-track proceedings?
And rightly so.
I don't think there is any doubt that the three cars broke the rules. The question the FIA has before them is: Which is the lesser evil - the three cars remaining in the classification or McLaren benefitting from it's driver winning the Championship?
I've become dissillusioned with F1 in recent seasons with the rediculous situation at the US Grand Prix a couple of years ago and the turmoil within my favourite team (Honda) with management changes, being banned for two races with loss of points accumulated, and Jenson Button's 'I'm going to Williams/Now I want to stay at Honda' soap opera.
I think the whole F1 environment breeds a its own sort of madness these days. My god I miss those Prost and Senna v The Rest days...
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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-10-24 13:16 ]
I have to agree with you, but you need to remember F1 is not really a sport anymore BE has developed it into the worlds greatest and most expensive business networking & emerging nations showcase club.
BE quite frankley does not care one jot if the crowds turn up to the races, he will have them computer generated if need be. and he makes his money from the TV deals and merchandising. Hence why it is so important for LH to be kept down a little for the time being.
As for the FIA rules thing MM is BE puppet and will do pretty much what ever the F1M "business" dictates.
The pendulum will swing back towards "sport" for a short while once BE moves on after that the manufacturers will run the thing into the ground, so if you like it make the most of it! I am not sure F1 has a long future in front of it! And the knock on will be quite a shock for the UK (who lead the world in this area) motoracing industry.
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