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Ruvjet
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On 2002-10-20 16:19, jb wrote:
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These are just guesses, but none of these specifications are beyond  .
All these features have been integrated into Japanese/South Korean handsets, and can be the only way |
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There is just this one little concern called costs.
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Costs would be less if they use most of the same chips/screens as their CDMA phones in Japan? Am I right?
Look at where that plan has taken Samsung. From Nowhere to Third in 2 years.
Ericsson has said they want to see results from the JV in the Q4 and Q1 2003, and I don't think the P800 or T100 are it.
The specs I've outlined could be sold for less than the eventual cost of the P800, which I'm sure will appeal to less people than a normal handset would. | |
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Borat
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On 2002-10-20 14:35, Ruvjet wrote:
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The CEO of SE Kurt Hellström says SE will shortly present several new phones
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Here are my GUESSES as to what the Spec of the new phones will be..
T700
Straight (CandyBar) handset.
65K TFT
310K Integrated Camera
GPRS
MMS (MP4 SUPPORT for Video clips w/ sound.)
GPS (Global Positioning System)
40 (32+8 wavetable) poly ringtones
Java
Bluetooth
<115 G Weight
T900
Clamshell handset.
262K TFT internal screen
310K Integrated Camera
GPRS
MMS
JAVA
40 (32+8 wavetable) poly ringtones
4,096 colour External Display (for shooting video clips with handset closed)
Mobile Light?
Memory Stick Duo Slot
<120 G weight
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jb
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Costs would be less if they use most of the same chips/screens as their CDMA phones in Japan? Am I right?
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It would be less because, and only because, they get them from sony. The components themselves will probably not be cheaper just because they share them.
However, if you share platforms then savings are possible because then you can combine manufacturing processes and softwares. Eventually, I think that is part of the point with the joint venture.
Another point is combining the best of two worlds: putting Cool Sony Technology, like color screens, memory stick, digicams and PDA-ness into mobile telephones. We are seeing part of that in P800.
The problem is that developing new platforms is costly. Probably they would be trying to find a common ground and build something new from there. Software-wise I'm hoping they go for symbian/uiq.
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Look at where that plan has taken Samsung. From Nowhere to Third in 2 years.
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That would be a hasty conclusion.
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Ericsson has said they want to see results from the JV in the Q4 and Q1 2003, and I don't think the P800 or T100 are it.
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Why not? We can never know anything for certain.
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The specs I've outlined could be sold for less than the eventual cost of the P800, which I'm sure will appeal to
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What makes you so sure about that?
Maybe all the work is being put into optimizing the hardware-design of P800 and minimizing production costs - they moved the manufacturing from sweden to france (probably not the only factory but still.) Obviously alot is going on behind the curtains to minimize the costs.
I'll remind you that they recently released a new white-paper for P800 and it still has "preliminary" written everywhere in it. Yet you don't know anything about its price its final set of features.
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Ruvjet
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The problem is that developing new platforms is costly. Probably they would be trying to find a common ground and build something new from there. Software-wise I'm hoping they go for symbian/uiq.
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Symbian is great for big screen smartphones, but what about normal handsets?
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Look at where that plan has taken Samsung. From Nowhere to Third in 2 years.
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That would be a hasty conclusion.
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Why is it a hasty conclusion? Do a google search, or think back to Oct 2000. Where were Samsung? But with the advent of the A100, A300, T100, S100 et al in quick succession, they have become third best-selling manufacturer in the world. They are second in my market (UK).
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Ericsson has said they want to see results from the JV in the Q4 and Q1 2003, and I don't think the P800 or T100 are it.
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Why not? We can never know anything for certain.
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This is just my opinion. P800 is not a mass market proposition, and will miss the christmas market. Outside of forums like this one, I just don't think the demand for products like P800 is very high. The biggest selling PDA/phone combo ever is the 9210, this sold 53,000 units in a quarter. Will the P800 sell more than this? I think have wasted too much time on this handset, their top engineers neglecting high-end handsets in the process.
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The specs I've outlined could be sold for less than the eventual cost of the P800
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What makes you so sure about that?
Maybe all the work is being put into optimizing the hardware-design of P800 and minimizing production costs - they moved the manufacturing from sweden to france (probably not the only factory but still.) Obviously alot is going on behind the curtains to minimize the costs.
I'll remind you that they recently released a new white-paper for P800 and it still has "preliminary" written everywhere in it. Yet you don't know anything about its price its final set of features.
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You're right, the P800 could be just held back to lower costs, that is very true. But the main point I was making was in respose to the guy that said that cost was a major factor.
I was trying to get across that the specs I outlined could come in under 700 euros, the expected price of the Samsung V200, which has most of the features in my specifications.
Remember, this is all my opinion..
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ShawO
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Geez...
The most quotes ever on a single page! cut it out already! 
@Ruvjet
Those phones sure sound cool but do the look cool or like a brick?
*sigh*
when will they make a smartphone look as smart as it is... |
jb
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Why is it a hasty conclusion? Do a google search, or think back to Oct 2000. Where were Samsung? But with the advent of the A100, A300, T100, S100 et al in quick succession, they have become third best-selling manufacturer in the world. They are second in my market (UK).
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You can never say for sure exactly what makes a company successfull and copying someone else's strategy will not guarantee success either.
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This is just my opinion. P800 is not a mass market proposition, and will miss the christmas market. Outside of forums like this one, I just don't think the demand for products like P800 is very high. The biggest selling
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I don't see why demand for P800 would be less than 7650. P800 also has foot in the same marketsegments as ipaq, palm, sony clie, etc. You never know, because it's the first device e v e r to incorporate these features.
I don't understand the color scheme though. WHY not make a mineral-grey version of it instead of that baby blue?
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PDA/phone combo ever is the 9210, this sold 53,000 units in a quarter. Will the P800 sell more than this? I think
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I think/hope Nokia is in for a rude surprise. =)
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have wasted too much time on this handset, their top engineers neglecting high-end handsets in the process.
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I hope P800 is not a dead end platformwise, so they won't have wasted the time. They could continue improving it and release new versions, smaller, with other keypads with better design, with or without camera.
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You're right, the P800 could be just held back to lower costs, that is very true. But the main point I was making was in respose to the guy that said that cost was a major factor.
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I said that. Everytime you do something new it costs.
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I was trying to get across that the specs I outlined could come in under 700 euros, the expected price of the
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Which is a lot.
I totally agree with you that Sony Ericsson should combine platforms and make the same phones for the entire world but with differences. But that process costs alot of money. Inventing and developing new things always costs alot of money. I guess that is why they are still losing money. |
Andy.
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On 2002-10-21 15:42, ShawO wrote:
Geez...
The most quotes ever on a single page! cut it out already!
@Ruvjet
Those phones sure sound cool but do the look cool or like a brick?
*sigh*
when will they make a smartphone look as smart as it is...
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[sorry]
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Borat
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