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Nokia 3650 = another P800 competitor? |
ppcrockar
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@Superluminova
Well.. I don't agree with you. SonyEricsson T68 beats the Nokia 7210/6610 and the SonyEricsson P800 beats the Nokia 7650. I feel that SonyEricsson is still a bit ahead. Remember that the new Nokia phones will not be out until next year.
I think the T68 will sell quite well for some time to come. It's the most feature packed phone available.. (except for smartphones like Nokia 7650/SonyEricsson P800). And Nokia still hasn't gotten the grips with Bluetooth yet. Some Nokia phones support data via bluetooth but not headsets and some Nokia phones are the other way around.
If you count Nokia 7210 and 6610 as two diffetrent phones then you should count T68m and T68i as two different phones as well. The only difference between the 7210 and 6610 is the design.
BTW.. the SonyEricsson T300 will be available in just a few weeks and IMHO the T300 is much better looking than the Nokia 3510i (and these phones will probably be in the same price range), and most importantly the T300 will be available 4-6 months earlier than the Nokia 3510i.
Sure the Nokia phones has 4096 color displays. But my guess is that when Nokia releases these phones there will probably be quite a few phones with 16bit (65536 colors) tft displays. And these phones will probably come from Japanese manufacturers like Nec, Samsung, Panasonic etc.
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Froddan
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6610 and 7210 are two different phones, even if the only thing that parts them is the design. T68i and m, what are the diffs on those? Color and some small details, but they look almost exactly alike. You can't possibly say that 6610 and 7210 looks alike.
The screens, with 256 colors you can barely see what is shown on it, if it's a photo. While 4096 colors in a small screen shows you the clearity of a photo. I think this will be important with the MMS rollout.
SE has done a good job, they made Nokia perform at their top again, and when that happens no one can compete these Finns  |
619
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yeah, go ahead and get a nokia phone, then after 3 months, your nokia will have no more value, as they will introduce new models, same appearance w/ a little add-on, like email or melody composer, etc. |
Super G
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PPCROCKAR said:
@Superluminova
Well.. I don't agree with you. SonyEricsson T68 beats the Nokia 7210/6610 and the SonyEricsson P800 beats the Nokia 7650. I feel that SonyEricsson is still a bit ahead. Remember that the new Nokia phones will not be out until next year.
I think the T68 will sell quite well for some time to come. It's the most feature packed phone available.. (except for smartphones like Nokia 7650/SonyEricsson P800). And Nokia still hasn't gotten the grips with Bluetooth yet. Some Nokia phones support data via bluetooth but not headsets and some Nokia phones are the other way around.
If you count Nokia 7210 and 6610 as two diffetrent phones then you should count T68m and T68i as two different phones as well. The only difference between the 7210 and 6610 is the design.
BTW.. the SonyEricsson T300 will be available in just a few weeks and IMHO the T300 is much better looking than the Nokia 3510i (and these phones will probably be in the same price range), and most importantly the T300 will be available 4-6 months earlier than the Nokia 3510i.
Sure the Nokia phones has 4096 color displays. But my guess is that when Nokia releases these phones there will probably be quite a few phones with 16bit (65536 colors) tft displays. And these phones will probably come from Japanese manufacturers like Nec, Samsung, Panasonic etc.
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ppcrockar, I do disagree with you 
6610 and 7210 will be hitting the shelves shortly.
7650 is already in the stores.
3510i is to be available in Q4 this year i.e. Christmas market, max 3 months!
3650 is the only one to come Q1 2003.
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| If you count Nokia 7210 and 6610 as two diffetrent phones then you should count T68m and T68i as two different phones as well. The only difference between the 7210 and 6610 is the design. |
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I disagree also. 7210 and 6610 are different products, and remain as such. T68i replaces T68m. I.e. SE do not make T68m anymore, and the ones in the stores are the last left. These last T68m and T68i are competing with each other. And in fact there's in the mid-term one phone left: T68i while there will remain 7210 and 6610.
The good thing is that now people have the choice on what to take color-screen wise. And be sure that only a minority cares about Bluetooth  |
Super G
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| yeah, go ahead and get a nokia phone, then after 3 months, your nokia will have no more value, as they will introduce new models, same appearance w/ a little add-on, like email or melody composer, etc. |
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What about T68i then?
While it was the color-screen king for some time, its value was rather stable, but with a tougher competition, this doesn't hold any longer. |
adamrj
Joined: Jan 15, 2002
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Hmm, definitely different. I just showed it to a few of our usability experts at work (web rather than phones, but the same sort of idea) and they totally panned it. Pointed out that all the buttons are in completely the wrong place (obvious, but if you think about it, it's going to take quite a bit of getting used to as you instinctively know where buttons normally are) and it's going to be an absolute nightmare for txt msging! |
ojsph
Joined: May 20, 2002
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those are just annoucements and not yet a finish products ready for launching! how long im going, should i say wait again! they are still going to develop that specs! nice icebreaker nokia!!
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Deltayoda
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3650 is an ugly phone, not even a close competitor to the P800.
As for the 3510i, umm, it's just an added color screen on the same old candy crappy looking phone.
The 7650, 7210 and 6610 are the only Nokia phones that I find unique, but knowing Nokia's marketing strategy, I'm not even going to bother getting close to one of these phones unless I plan on buying a backup phone.
I'm still sticking to my T68i, it still looks good, small, still top of the line, and I need bluetooth to work with my IPAQ. |
Armin
Joined: Mar 22, 2002
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No way any of us are going to see a 3650 in the store shelves in Q1, remember that Nokia 7650 was announced in february (if not even earlier), but didn't hit the store shelves until just now.
And Nokia made the same stupid mitake with the 3650 as with the 7650: no support for bluetooth-headsets!!.(until the "i" version arrives i guess...).
I can't possibly imagine what the difference between 3510, 6610 and the 7210 could be.
If anyone knows of any technical difference between these three phone (besides the looks), please post! I'm really curious!
They might as well have just made one phone and made it compatible with all three covers! |
Lusipher
Joined: Dec 11, 2001
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Well.....
I still dont think nokia can offer any real copetition to P800...
but that 3650 sure looks nice, (- battery time wich in nokia phones allways suck (200>)) it all depends on wich user group the 3650 is atended for, in price... |
ppcrockar
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The 7210 & 6610 are the exact same phones... it's just some keypad cover changes. Nothing else. And the same as T68m and T68i cosmetic changes only. Just because the model numbers are different doesn't mean it's a different phone. There were bigger difference between T68m and T68i, when the i was released than the 7210 & 6610 because of the software difference. Design changes alone doesn't make it a new phone in my eyes...
Nokia is great a marketing their phones. They always manage to come out with a phone with no differnces/very small modifications to an older one, and people are saying wow a new phone... |
Armin
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By the way, the 7650 nor the 3560 have touchscreens! |
Cophia
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Nokia are bringing lots of phones, but most are the same phone in a slightly cover to appeal to a different market (like the 6610 and the 7210).
The 3510 is an upgrade to the 3410 in a slightly different body (think of all the variable changeable covers that are in the market now, most of them not interchangeable between phones of different models). The 3510's upgrade is essentially the ability to receive and download MMS messages (but not send).
The P800 is not the phone that will save Sony Ericsson, it is not mass market. The same can be said for many of the Nokia models, but they have a broad range to appeal to different consumer tastes so they can attract a bigger market then Sony Ericsson is targetting.
Sony Ericsson needs diversity of products like Nokia, and the trick is to use Nokia's strategy of re-branding the same phone technology to cut down on costs, components and manufacturing costs. Nokia's doing a good job in this respect.
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619
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Nokia is just catching up. I been seeing colors since dec 2001 while nokia introduced their colored phn ths july. Nokia will be having 5 colored phn- 7650, 7210, 6610, 3650 and 3510i but 7210=6610 and 3510i is just an upgraded 3510. Maybe SE shld make T39i and R520i with color and introduce as a new phn
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johnnie
Joined: Sep 04, 2002
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Come on MAN!
Why don't you think that  is waiting for something and may be release some new version but kept it secretly for a while.
Anyhow even that Nokia has many new version phone but i don't think that its look cool  as the T68, T68i, or P800 isn't it
OR WE CAN SAY THAT ALL OF THEM ARE UGLY |
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Posted: 2002-09-06 12:26
